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Let us know how that works out. I've been curious about this product for a while its got a stout profile.
where are you seeing this product? im not seeing it anywhere online.Let us know how that works out. I've been curious about this product for a while its got a stout profile.
Is that the one with anamorelin, MK-677, LGD-4033, Rad-140, methyldiazirinol, M1T, and laxogenin? If so, how the hell would anyone even know if methyldiazirinol is really even in there? I am not knocking BTP Creations or saying that this product isn't going to be extremely potent... but who the hell really knows what's inside there when you see a label like that?Reviving this thread. I found some at my local shop from a brand I cant find anywhere online. Its called Species 3 Beyonder, i think its by BTP Creations.
Does anyone know anything about this?
Are there any issues with hairloss?
Yes, these kind of profiles scream underdosed/missing/different compounds all over them.Is that the one with anamorelin, MK-677, LGD-4033, Rad-140, methyldiazirinol, M1T, and laxogenin? If so, how the hell would anyone even know if methyldiazirinol is really even in there? I am not knocking BTP Creations or saying that this product isn't going to be extremely potent... but who the hell really knows what's inside there when you see a label like that?
More often than not, I have to believe it's dbol and any other cheap raws they might have hanging around. I really do believe the product will probably work. But no, I don't believe it has anything in it that is listed on the label.Yes, these kind of profiles scream underdosed/missing/different compounds all over them.
Just as likely to get random amounts of capped up Dbol/Anadrol or some such steroid raws. Users still get swoll, remain ignorant, and the fly-by-night company makes double profits compared to selling the gear at conventional UGL prices.
Here-say is there was a lot of old cheap Epistane raws after the ban still around…and ‘some’ companies were allegedly putting it into various designer products to unload it.I was digging around some old logs…
A guy said he had tested the original Triumphallis and it came back to be Madol…Wondering what OG’s think of this?
There’s a lot of missing important info to backup his claim but it can be found almost end of page 1
Lgi Triumphalis Log - AnabolicMinds.com
On Cycle: Lgi Triumphalis: 45/60/60/60/75/75 Ar1macare Pro: 6/6/6/6/6/6 (caps) Post Cycle: Raloxifene: 90/60/60/30 Clomid: 50/50/25/25 Exemestane: 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 eod Sup3r Pct: 10/10/10/10 (caps) Other Supplements: Fish oil, multivitamin, vitamin d3, vitamin c, magnesium...anabolicminds.com
The only issue I have is that most of these consumers don’t understand they’re paying through the nose for super cheap gear that isn’t what the label says. The last time I got Dbol was around $50 for 100x50mg tabs…half of one is a full daily dose. So these products end up being 2-4x the price per effective dose.Its around.... there's an online source....or two.....but can't name them. Some shops will still carry. BTP had some crazy formulas and who really knows if what they said are posted as ingredients are the actual ingredients....but.....the products are typically effective. So really....who knows. But, if you do utilize, the report of results would be interesting.
For example, at one time they had a relaxation product for relaxation that was a designer benzo. It was effective as advertised before getting pulled. Not saying thats good or bad. Bottom line is multi PH or DS products are typically unpopular on here. Not saying good or bad but in reality....if it works.....it works......does it really matter if its a currently banned PH/DS or if its really adrol/dbol? Sure, that's shady marketing to likely customers that dont know any better, but really, what do you expect buying that profile of ingredients. I don't post much but guys get really crappy with this. So what? What did you expect with that profile? GAINS......right.... does it really matter if its lgd, anamorelin, mdiaz, and m1t? Really? No! You expect to gain 20+ lbs and get stronger.... do you really care of the owner slipped a Mickie and gave you a bombs?
Also, to answer this thread: I really liked mdiaz. I've never utilized Avar, however have alot of.experince with other oral compounds. I used it as a single compound in addition to a cut using diene and DTA desoxy test ace..... I thought it was the closest I could get. Strength gains on a diet.........I would like to try it again in this context. It helped with what I was trying to do at the time..lean strength gains while cutting BF. I kept rep numbers on my weights while cutting!
I definitely don’t disagree with anything you have said, nor do I want you or anyone to think your opinions aren’t welcome - the discussion is why we all share this forum! I’m glad you posted, because I don’t think a lot of the people considering using these products realize all these elements like we do. That knowledge takes time to acquire, and talking about the pros & cons helps share it. I don’t want you to think I’m arguing either.And once again, this isn't to argue.....I really love Hydes posts and believe in their value. Hes got his s$@#t together and knows his stuff. I just wish this forum would give more leeway to some of these supps thay aren't perfect but give an option to those who don't want to dick With how to send bitcoin to a source in China or Thailand for some "real" AAS that we don't even know is actually real or not. Yes, it would be great if OP detailed a cycle with individual compounds....200mg Tcyp, 30mg mdiaz, 50mg TD trest, etc..
But thats not the world we live in.... species 3 wlli exist and sell into a market that wants it. And despite having access to sus, bold cyp, adrol, and dec dura.... I like some of these grey area supps and hope they evolve and expand for this market that we hold dearly to get jacked and shredded. I always live extra options, what do you all thin
RIP diene ace. I miss you, lol. Man I loved this as well including the TD products. I prefer this over "real" tren any day. This also includes Tvar. I much prefer it over actual tren ace for some reason I felt like I got similar gains, strength, nutrient partitioning effects but not the same sides.....the cough, the anxiety/mental sides etc.... good thing it's still available if you know where to look. I remember you had good experience with trnedione as well Hyde , if I remember Correctly from some of your old posts.I definitely don’t disagree with anything you have said, nor do I want you or anyone to think your opinions aren’t welcome - the discussion is why we all share this forum! I’m glad you posted, because I don’t think a lot of the people considering using these products realize all these elements like we do. That knowledge takes time to acquire, and talking about the pros & cons helps share it. I don’t want you to think I’m arguing either.
I want people to know all the things you said!
I just meant to highlight that the buyer will be paying double for something exceptionally unlikely to be what it says. The general goal (an explosive oral AAS effect) will likely still be accomplished if getting a super stack.
The upside of course is that you can order online with a credit card and the transaction isn’t going to be as risky (as long as the shipping stays domestic). No crypro, cash in mail, WU, or other fund transfer services.
I am overall glad to see options for people. I have always felt that way. Just wish they were actually more of what they claimed, like you said about having more actual designer stuff compounds available again. But I think there’s no good incentive for that anymore - legally this stuff is all dead in the water.
As an aside, Dienelone Enanthate made me stronger while cutting as well. I had my calories down to like 2,400 with hours of cardio per week and still benched a substantial bodyweight PR.
Tvar works just like Tren suspension. You pop one and get the surge for a few hours of aggression, libido and such. It’s a good oral option as a potent preWO (if you take enough) but taking it 3-4x a day gets to be quite a ride. Might as well take Tren Ace for a cycle, but if you are afraid of or can’t pin due to situation it’s a very good alternative as long as you take enough (120-180mg/day was what I found to work powerfully). I have had decent effect as well taking 90mg/day on top of 300/300 test & mast and 40mg Var. I was taking some amount of Mithras preWO too. I squat 573 & benched 380 weighing 244lbs at that meet, but my butt lifted during the press.RIP diene ace. I miss you, lol. Man I loved this as well including the TD products. I prefer this over "real" tren any day. This also includes Tvar. I much prefer it over actual tren ace for some reason I felt like I got similar gains, strength, nutrient partitioning effects but not the same sides.....the cough, the anxiety/mental sides etc.... good thing it's still available if you know where to look. I remember you had good experience with trnedione as well Hyde , if I remember Correctly from some of your old posts.
Sorry man, I didn't mean to insinuate argument, I said that to not sound like an ass as I don't post much and didn't want to come off like some folks who are newish to the board and make jackass posts and act like they know everything when they have little knowledge or experience. I like reading your thoughts and insights as well as many other members like Smont and xripperx. I agree with everything you say. It is much better to go with compounds that have been well researched and have known effects and safety profiles. You know what your dealing with and have an idea what to expect, as well as how to mitigate any potential sides vs unknown products or concoctions.
I only get somewhat disappointed when products like this get brought up and a member, rightfully so, slaps it down as another one of these multi compound products and to just use test or single known compounds and the thread just ends with no real feedback on such products and what the poster experienced whether it be good or bad. There have been alot of products I have been curious about, but never pulled the trigger on, pop up in threads.....only to receive above said response and the thread just dies from there and we don't learn anything else about it. There is one product out there available in UK stores that lists oxandrin as one of the 3 or 4 compounds in the product, in addition to some other potent DS/AAS. It was brought up once here, but shot down and no one has ever followed up on it. I would love to know if anyone actually tried it and how it worked. The dose looked where it should be, unlike alot of these multi compound products that have less than typically known effective dosages for the concoction of compounds. Alot of the trendione products always typically are dosed way to low in their formulations with other DS.
Of course, as I stated and agree with others, I would much prefer actual gear; however even with that, we still don't really know if what we're getting is real. Take primo for example....everyone's favorite, right...the perfect steroid. But we all know the joke in that its like believing in Santa clause, in that no one believes that they actually get real primo. Its Essentially a myth or fairy tale, which is why I've never tried to buy primo as much as I really want to try. It's always one of the priciest products on a menu and you never know if what you're getting is real.
Sorry for my rambling, that is ADHD in action. My thing is just that, as I stated, im glad some companies are willing to put out such products that kind of buck the system and give some cool options in a market that has been killed off by the govt in recent years. I have access to gear, that I hope is real.....meaning it works as I would expect for each product in addition to known sides, but I still don't know for sure if its actually what I ordered or if its underdosed.
My original experience was pre good PH days and was with mexi gear that was the big thing available at the time. If anyone remembers brovel underdosed test, reforvit, and laurabolin....those were the main staples. I used alot of dbol only cycles, which in this day and age is highly frowned upon; but it was available and cheap for a broke college student and it worked every time. Many may not remember, but 15 years ago and more, dbol only cycles pyramided up and down over 8 weeks in dosage were common practices and recommendations for first cycles in several of the old school anabolic guide books.
If anyone mentions dbol only for 8 weeks now they will be chastised endlessly and warned that their liver will fall out of their ass for going over the 4 week imposed limit known to all today. I did it many times with no negative health implications as did many others in the old days. Even after getting alot of experience with heavier blasts of 750mg + of test, with 4-600mg deca, and 50mg dbol or 100 adrol; i found that 30mg pheraplex and 90mg diendione/x tren gave similar results when I was on active duty and didn't have any more access to above said gear. Those PH products of the 2003-2010 era were POTENT. So, im excited to see when some of these pop up in OTC products i can buy at my local supp store or order on a supp website and pay with a credit card rather than messing with the annoyance of bitcoin and hoping a package makes it through customs without being seized.
All I am asking is let's give some of these products a chance and find out more if they are actually legit and how they work. Unfortunately, most of the folks posting aren't the experienced ones and most susceptible to misuse and poor mitigation of sides and negative health impact. The bad part is most of the experienced guys likely have their own trusted sources and have no need for such products. Maybe I'll try one of these products out and report the good, the bad, and the ugly. I have another one of the BTP multi compound products that I have been saving for a rainy day cut cycle.....tren solution....as it lists some great products of the past: Tvar, furuza, and oral dhb. Who knows if this is legit but I'm going to try it for a summer cut rather than the typical test, tren, mast, proviron run. Ill be the guinea pig and post results if anyone is interested. Again, apologies for my ramble, hopefully I didn't lose anyone to my nonsense. ADHD is a motherfucker
do you think its usually at least something and not just straight sugar pills?its all about making a profit for most. i agree with the above posts is they will use what is readily on hand and cheap and sometime what you pay for is not actually what you get.
there may be some d-bol around now that is actually low dose methyltestosterone(still effective as hell)
some anavar may be mestanolone( cheap and does a good job w low sides)
some winstrol may be mestanolone also
People get bunk pills all the time. Sometimes it is intentional ,sometimes unintentional from a source thinking they have one substance and its another. Some of the diene and triene steroids like raw dbol and tren base powders are slightly yellow from outward appearance so you have some idea if your raw source had legit stuff but there is always variation on how it feels by touch or how clumpy or waxy it is depending on how tightly it was packed and the temperature. I know deca raws can get pretty soupy when shipped in the summerdo you think its usually at least something and not just straight sugar pills?