3 Reasons You Can’t Train Like Steroid Users



Plus How Natural Bodybuilders Should Train

Nothing wrecks natural lifters faster than training like steroid users. Here are the scientific reasons why, plus how to train instead.

Steroid Users and You
If you’re a drug-free lifter, it’s highly likely that you’ve been duped steroid users. They didn’t do it intentionally, but you’ve suffered nonetheless.
Here’s what they did: They made you, the natural lifter, assume that drugs simply enhanced the response to training. You figured that there wasn’t any reason you couldn’t train like the drug user. The only thing that would be different was the magnitude of the results.
Not only was that assumption wrong, but that reasoning messed you up in a number of ways. Make no mistake about it, natural lifters shouldn’t train the same way as “enhanced” lifters. Here’s why.

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1. Steroid Users Convinced You To Use Too Much Volume

We know that building muscle is all about protein synthesis. The higher the rate of protein synthesis and the longer the rate of protein synthesis, the more muscle is produced.

Performance-enhancing drug users have an enhanced level of protein synthesis 24/7 because that’s one of the main effects of steroids (the effect of growth hormone 13 on protein synthesis is debatable).

Even if PED users didn’t trigger a higher level of protein synthesis through training, it doesn’t matter, they’ll still progress. A natural lifter’s normal state is homeostasis: protein synthesis and protein breakdown are pretty much equal. He needs to stimulate protein synthesis (through mTor activation, mostly) with the workout itself.

In other words, the natural guy is dependent on the training session to stimulate protein synthesis. That’s not true of the enhanced lifter. That doesn’t mean the training session isn’t important for the drug user, it just means that his workout is pretty much bulletproof.
Even if the PED user breaks down a lot of tissue using too much volume, or even if he doesn’t do enough to maximize protein synthesis, he’ll be fine. Protein synthesis and growth will still occur. Not so for the drug-free lifter. He needs “Goldilocks” training: Not too little volume, not too much volume, but just the right amount of volume. Otherwise, he doesn’t grow, and he could even lose muscle.

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2. Steroid Users Turned You Into A Cortisol Waste Dump

Cortisol 4 is devastating for natural lifters. First, it opposes protein synthesis by increasing protein breakdown, but it also has an impact on the expression of the myostatin gene, which limits the amount of muscle you can carry.

Cortisol can also inhibit mTor activation via an increase in AMPK. mTor is basically a muscle-building switch, so if you inhibit mTor you stop muscle growth. This means that cortisol not only increases protein breakdown (muscle loss), it can actually decrease or even stop protein synthesis.
The role of cortisol during training is to mobilize energy stores to give your body fuel for muscle action. The more fuel you need during your training, the more cortisol you will produce.

It’s easy to understand that the more training volume you do, the more fuel you’ll need to mobilize, and thus the more cortisol you’ll release. That’s why excessive volume is the number one problem for natural bodybuilders. Doing too much high volume in a workout can actually stop a natural guy’s gains.

A steroid user, however, is somewhat protected against the negative impact of cortisol. Since the anabolic drugs greatly increase protein synthesis around the clock, he will more than counterbalance the increase in cortisol, within reason.
Steroids and cortisol also share the same intracellular second messenger, so the more anabolic hormones you have in your body, the harder it is for the cortisol to interfere with muscle growth. Again, what’s called for is a volume sweet-spot where cortisol release is limited.

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3. Steroid Users Made You Think You Can Grow From High-Rep Sets

Enhanced lifters can gain a lot of muscle from doing plenty of work with lighter reps – things like high-rep work, drop sets, etc. That’s because they don’t need to trigger protein synthesis with the workout itself.

Doing very high rep-work will drive more blood into the muscles, and if that blood is loaded with amino acids, they’re then supplying their muscles (that already have an enhanced level of protein synthesis) with the nutrients needed to take advantage of their high rate of protein synthesis.
As such, steroid users don’t need fairly heavy work as much as natural lifters do. In fact, since many steroids tend to make the muscles proportionally stronger than the tendons themselves, focusing too much on heavy lifting might lead to devastating injuries.
I’m not saying that light pump training doesn’t work for natural lifters. Hypertrophy can be stimulated with light weights if you go to failure 18. The problem is what happens in the body when very high reps are combined with light weights. Sure, you’ll eventually get maximum muscle-fiber recruitment as you build fatigue during the set, however, if it takes you 15 or 20 reps to “get there” instead of 6 to 8, then you’re spending twice as much glycogen to achieve the same effect.

Remember, the more energy (glycogen) you need to mobilize, the more cortisol release you’ll get! That’s why super-high rep work is not ideal for natural lifters, especially if you do a lot of sets.

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How Natural Lifters Should Train
  1. The volume per workout should be limited. Excessive exercise variation is the enemy of muscle growth. Look at all the top natural lifters. They stick to a small number of exercises. They’ll use some variation from time to time, but for the most part they stick to the same exercises.
  2. Push/pull 99 routines are often optimal for the natural bodybuilder. They allow for the most recovery between training sessions.
  3. Generally speaking, most sets should be in the neighborhood of 8 to 10 reps, with higher-rep sets reserved for warm-up or preparation sets. However, if a natural guy is going to do lighter pump work, he should make sure to consume a carb/protein blend pre-workout and during the workout. This makes glucose readily available for fuel so he won’t need to mobilize as much stored glycogen and he won’t release excess cortisol.
  4. Since a natural lifter needs to rely on the actual workout to trigger protein synthesis, and considering that protein synthesis remains elevated for 24-36 hours in a muscle after it’s trained, a natty needs to train each muscle more often. Otherwise protein synthesis in a muscle won’t be elevated long enough over the course of a week to get maximum growth. Once is not enough. For the most part, working a body part twice every 8-day period is optimal.
Source: https://forums.t-nation.com/t/3-reasons-you-cant-train-like-steroid-users/284120
 

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Great article

“Goldilocks” training: Not too little volume, not too much volume, but just the right amount of volume. Otherwise, he doesn’t grow, and he could even lose muscle.
oh man, I feel like we can all relate to this on some level.
 
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I too am glad to have these back.

As to the article, it covers natty and steroid users.

How would a, lets say guy, who takes SARMS, GH, Insulin, Clen, Enclomiphene, IGF-1 Lr3, and peg-MGF train? Asking for a friend of course. :unsure:
 
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I too am glad to have these back.

As to the article, it covers natty and steroid users.

How would a, lets say guy, who takes SARMS, GH, Insulin, Clen, Enclomiphene, IGF-1 Lr3, and peg-MGF train? Asking for a friend of course. :unsure:
I'm just curious now ... Is that friend on Test, or TRT?
Truly just curious....
 
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I too am glad to have these back.

As to the article, it covers natty and steroid users.

How would a, lets say guy, who takes SARMS, GH, Insulin, Clen, Enclomiphene, IGF-1 Lr3, and peg-MGF train? Asking for a friend of course. :unsure:
Like a steroid user
 
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I too am glad to have these back.

As to the article, it covers natty and steroid users.

How would a, lets say guy, who takes SARMS, GH, Insulin, Clen, Enclomiphene, IGF-1 Lr3, and peg-MGF train? Asking for a friend of course. :unsure:
Like a steroid user
I still feel half natty even with the epiandro and dhea. I don't have a good baseline for my improvements because I went from nearly a decade of insane volume in fitness comps, to a 4 day strength focused split. My hypertrophy work is far more effective now at 41 than it was at 31. I'm sure the supps are playing a role but the biggest difference I see in my physique now is the smaller muscle groups like lats and traps are larger. AND IF i can fit in an Arnold style 20 set day on something like biceps, I do see positive results. I don't think that would have given me any more hypertrophy in my more natural days.

I'm also sleeping harder on training days when on an epi run, and recovering better. far far far better than I used to. Night and day, not even comparable.
 
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I still feel half natty even with the epiandro and dhea. I don't have a good baseline for my improvements because I went from nearly a decade of insane volume in fitness comps, to a 4 day strength focused split. My hypertrophy work is far more effective now at 41 than it was at 31. I'm sure the supps are playing a role but the biggest difference I see in my physique now is the smaller muscle groups like lats and traps are larger. AND IF i can fit in an Arnold style 20 set day on something like biceps, I do see positive results. I don't think that would have given me any more hypertrophy in my more natural days.

I'm also sleeping harder on training days when on an epi run, and recovering better. far far far better than I used to. Night and day, not even comparable.
Theres a big difference between some epiandro and the combination hes on.

Honestly, I train the same on and off. And if I had to never go back on again.I would still train the same. I add a little more volume when i'm on cycle. The reason I don't change much is because when you're on x amount of gear you're gonna naturally get stronger anyways. So without even increasing your overall volume.As your weights go up your workload went up already. I also almost feel like I could overtrain easier on steroids, When my bench press or whatever lift goes up 30+ pounds in a couple of weeks its hard not to push your limits some days lol. Which is probably why I get hurt so often🤦‍♂️
 
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Guys it was a joke. MANY youngsters think they are half natty as they run every drug other than actual AAS. It was clearly a swing and a miss humor wise. lol
LOL. Well, you can tell I was Trying to be nice.
I was hoping this would be your answer, or something similar.
Hahaha
 
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Guys it was a joke. MANY youngsters think they are half natty as they run every drug other than actual AAS. It was clearly a swing and a miss humor wise. lol
I actually Assumed that you were on TRT, a little insulin and gh and the sarms and peptides might be stuff you were toying around with 🤷‍♂️

But to your point, I can remember.
Guys here on the forum trying to say there natty on SD and DMZ And basically anything you could find in a supplement shop. People are really stupid lol. All you gotta do is read the label ingredients and That weird 20 letter ingredient with a few numbers mixed in spells STEROIDS.

The same guys who would say it's their first cycle (test) but they've been running prohormones and designer steroids for ten years. And somehow have no clue that all those designers are probably stronger then the 300-500 test a week
 
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Theres a big difference between some epiandro and the combination hes on.
oh I get it, like I said I just "feel" like I'm basically natty since I have a couple orals and TDs I play with but I know that I'm not and I accept that. But after a lifetime natty, the small **** I play with feels amazing and even my 41yr old body soaks it up like a sponge.

Honestly, I train the same on and off. And if I had to never go back on again.I would still train the same. I add a little more volume when i'm on cycle. The reason I don't change much is because when you're on x amount of gear you're gonna naturally get stronger anyways. So without even increasing your overall volume.As your weights go up your workload went up already. I also almost feel like I could overtrain easier on steroids, When my bench press or whatever lift goes up 30+ pounds in a couple of weeks its hard not to push your limits some days lol.
yeah I think it's just love of the game. I generally always train for the pump, to the pump, maybe to failure. I don't always have the fire to go to the gym, but once I'm there and lifting, I don't want to quit until I feel fully destroyed. I think having a little extra epi boost helps me there vs when I was natty, malnourished, and constantly hammering the body for the sake of hammering.


Which is probably why I get hurt so often

LOL for sure
 
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Guys it was a joke. MANY youngsters think they are half natty as they run every drug other than actual AAS. It was clearly a swing and a miss humor wise. lol
Oh I got the joke as soon as I read it; cracked me up.

Guys will be on a stack of 30mg each of LGD & RAD trying to lie to themselves how they’re not “really” like someone using steroids . It’s like, buddy, that’s 420mg/wk of orals. It’s not “all you, bro”
 

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Theres a big difference between some epiandro and the combination hes on.

Honestly, I train the same on and off. And if I had to never go back on again.I would still train the same. I add a little more volume when i'm on cycle. The reason I don't change much is because when you're on x amount of gear you're gonna naturally get stronger anyways. So without even increasing your overall volume.As your weights go up your workload went up already. I also almost feel like I could overtrain easier on steroids, When my bench press or whatever lift goes up 30+ pounds in a couple of weeks its hard not to push your limits some days lol. Which is probably why I get hurt so often🤦‍♂️
On cycle I can definitely feel the joints suffering from over-training if I don't sometimes pull it back but I do feel like muscle recovery is better. You have to be conscious of not just throwing around heavy weight when on cycle and sometimes pull it in a little bit and slowly increase your weights over the cycle. When I first started I was just so excited to see my strength improve that I was focused on just moving as much weight as I could and my joints suffered.

When I was just natural, I used to train 8 weeks on and then take 1 week off of strength training. And I actually found this to be very productive as I always felt like I came back in the gym stronger after that week off. However, there are a lot of people who would claim that this would be an indication of over-training because your body shouldn't require a week off of rest and then come back stronger.

These days I would say that I train very similarly on and off cycle as far as intensity goes but do more volume on cycle like you said. But there are just some days where I know I'm hitting the gas too hard. I'm that guy in the gym who starts his chest workout with 120lb DB bench press and ends it with 25lb plate on the smith machine lol. I'll just pound my muscles into the ground for absolutely no good reason other than I mentally want to. And I'll leave the gym feeling great and looking great with a nice pump. But then by night time I'll look in the mirror and look like crap. And I'll look like crap the next day too. Every time I push it too far my body starts to look swollen and puffy. And then when I get to my next chest workout (which is 3 or 4 days later), I will be weaker.

So, I am a believer in over-training being a real and counterproductive thing. I think it has been vastly oversold to the general public and even within the fitness community now with the whole Mike Mentzer HIT training. However, I do believe that the body can really only handle so much stress to a point where it becomes counterproductive. But we're gym rats and sometimes we just can't help ourselves 🤷‍♂️
 
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Yeah, nice article. I didn’t know we ever had these, but maybe I never looked.

I liked how it inspired me to stay dirty. Not that I have ever needed much of a push. I have been all over the map the past few years. Mentally, physically, and in terms of AAS.

Oh wait, now I remember having these!
 

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I appreciate articles popping up, but hoping we can get from a wider range of sources. I had to double take on a few of the T-nation articles to make sure they weren't like re-posts of decade old articles because the information is....questionable at best (like this one).

Still, I hope to see more articles, always good to at least draw discussion I suppose.

On cycle I can definitely feel the joints suffering from over-training if I don't sometimes pull it back but I do feel like muscle recovery is better. You have to be conscious of not just throwing around heavy weight when on cycle and sometimes pull it in a little bit and slowly increase your weights over the cycle. When I first started I was just so excited to see my strength improve that I was focused on just moving as much weight as I could and my joints suffered.

When I was just natural, I used to train 8 weeks on and then take 1 week off of strength training. And I actually found this to be very productive as I always felt like I came back in the gym stronger after that week off. However, there are a lot of people who would claim that this would be an indication of over-training because your body shouldn't require a week off of rest and then come back stronger.

So, I am a believer in over-training being a real and counterproductive thing. I think it has been vastly oversold to the general public and even within the fitness community now with the whole Mike Mentzer HIT training. However, I do believe that the body can really only handle so much stress to a point where it becomes counterproductive. But we're gym rats and sometimes we just can't help ourselves 🤷‍♂️
Honestly those people would apparently not know what they are talking about. The literal point is to do enough work to drive adaptions which is going to add fatigue, deloading, tapering, or anything of that nature that relieves some of that built up fatigue should make it so you have improved performance. Sounds like you knew what you were doing. ;)

I always hate these discussions (not saying this to you more as general and agreeing) because it is usually arguments over semantics. Overtraining in the clinical sense and what laymen use don't always line up and there really isn't as much disagreement in the actual literature about it. That said most people, as you say, could train harder and overstate the likelihood of it, but that also it is definitely counterproductive to do too much. Both seemingly contradictory positions can be right.
 

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