Proviron alternative

[AlexPowell]

Is there anything out there, preferably currently legal for ease of access, that acts like provironum?
Effects I am after, binding to aromatase and SHBG

Basically, any DHT type steroid will do this, provironum is just oral DHT. But I am looking for something that is particularly good at this task.
I have some LGI Stano-200, and will be testing this out. 3-beta-hydroxyllolan-17-one. After something that can be taken long term, low-ish dose and easy on body like proviron, masteron and so on.

The LGI is $39.95 for 90 tabs, making it seemingly ideal. Would 1 tab a day be suffice you think? I will be testing it at 600mg for 4 weeks and seeing how that goes, march time. But if one tab is enough for the effects I am after, lower SHGB and aromatase binding then it's a very cost effective solution

 

[Matthersby]

Epistane. Epistane. Epistane.

 

[AlexPowell]

Yeah epistane is good, very cheap but methylated
If I was going to run this, it would have to be 10mg a day and no more. So really it's a case of would this be effective at this dose?

 

[Matthersby]

No. Why?

 

[AlexPowell]

Well then there you go
Maybe experimentation is needed. 200mg of the stanodrol a day for a while, see what that does
Then 10mg of epistane a day for a while

Remember, I am just after the DHT effects here, I would not just be running 10mg of epistane. Nothing methylated, I am not keen on these drugs. But 10mg a day would not harm liver too much at all with my lifestyle

 

[drinkyboy]

Keep us posted on what you choose and so on.

 

[BlumpkinKing]

Mestebol, problem solved

 

[jbryand101b]

Mestebol, problem solved

beat me to it.

mestebol is a direct precursor to mesterolne aka proviron (1-methyl dht)

1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-hydroxyimine

oxyimine will hydrolyze once it hits stomach acids leaving proviron.

 

[BlumpkinKing]

beat me to it. mestebol is a direct precursor to mesterolne aka proviron (1-methyl dht) 1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-hydroxyimine oxyimine will hydrolyze once it hits stomach acids leaving proviron.

Been looking for some reviews on it. I wonder if you have to dose it high to become effective.

 

[jbryand101b]

Been looking for some reviews on it. I wonder if you have to dose it high to become effective.

That seems to be the case

 

[jbryand101b]

this product from celtic labs is on sale right now for 20 $$$

thinking about adding it into my test cycle.

 

[AlexPowell]

Let me know how it goes
it's 35mg a tab though. Proviron I'd need 50mg a day.
So I doubt the effectiveness of this product, for the price.

 

[jbryand101b]

Conversion depends on your stomach acid content.

 

[AlexPowell]

High or low

 

[jbryand101b]

High or low

Higher would be better

 

[Whacked]

Cool and interesting thread. Love this idea. Sub'd

JB: Stano vs Mestebol

1) Which is more cost effective for said objective (as described by the OP)?

2) Which is a potentially less hepatotoxic substances at the required effective dose?

 

[jbryand101b]

Cool and interesting thread. Love this idea. Sub'd

JB: Stano vs Mestebol

1) Which is more cost effective for said objective (as described by the OP)?

2) Which is a potentially less hepatotoxic substances at the required effective dose?

Stano doesn't work for me, so until I use mest, it takes the cake.

 

[Whacked]

. Thx

Stano doesn't work for me, so until I use mest, it takes the cake.

 

[tinytony]

Been looking for some reviews on it. I wonder if you have to dose it high to become effective.

I ran it at 5 caps per day and seemed to notice mild results. Nothing that would blow you away but did seem to harden me up a bit.

 

[BlumpkinKing]

I ran it at 5 caps per day and seemed to notice mild results. Nothing that would blow you away but did seem to harden me up a bit.

Good to know. Price is right to. I ran some proviron from the UK during my post cycle and had some really good results. Just sucks that it takes western union to get.

 

[tinytony]

Good to know. Price is right to. I ran some proviron from the UK during my post cycle and had some really good results. Just sucks that it takes western union to get.

Ordering from there kind of scared me..

 

[BlumpkinKing]

Ordering from there kind of scared me..

Was there some random extra items like Viagra and Acutane that I didn't order, arrive at your step a week later like it did mine? Lol

 

[BlumpkinKing]

Was there some random extra items like Viagra and Acutane that I didn't order, arrive at your step a week later like it did mine? Lol

I wrote them a email and they responded . Sorry. Keep it. Lol

 

[tinytony]

Was there some random extra items like Viagra and Acutane that I didn't order, arrive at your step a week later like it did mine? Lol

No I mean it scared me enough that I never have

 

[LMuscle]

I ordered Mestebol, I'll let you guys know if it's worth a sh-t once I use it for a week or so.

 

[tinytony]

Everyone clear their inboxes

 

[tinytony]

Anyway not having ever run proviron I can't say if Mestebol at 150 was the same? The new oxime idea sounds legit but some of the compounds don't seem to treat people like the parent compound so therefore it's hard for me to have extreme confidence in them

 

[Whacked]

Please do!

I ordered Mestebol, I'll let you guys know if it's worth a sh-t once I use it for a week or so.

 

[WesleyInman]

Well then there you go
Maybe experimentation is needed. 200mg of the stanodrol a day for a while, see what that does
Then 10mg of epistane a day for a while

Remember, I am just after the DHT effects here, I would not just be running 10mg of epistane. Nothing methylated, I am not keen on these drugs. But 10mg a day would not harm liver too much at all with my lifestyle

Epistane is a whole different gain completely then what you are looking for IMO, though it does deliver solid dry lean gains and excellent strength gains..it is a sister compound to the AAS tbol...they are almost identical structurally. Epistane is dry tbol plain and simple. I use Epistane with dozens of my clients. Best two brands out there are the prescription nutrition EPI which is 15mgs per cap, and Havoc by RPN. No other brand touches those IMO.

I have run the LGI stano several times. It took 1000mgs ED for me to get solid results. Epi Andro RX by Iron Mag labs was far better IMO..but that too you have to up the dosage to say 300mgs a day minimum.

I'm running a similar thread here on the forum with a DHT type compound. Its actually in this very forum, I just can't link you up bc I am too new here, but I am discussing DHT type products as well in it.

I know someone running Mestebol right now to compare it to the Stano type products, but in theory Mestebol would be similar to Proviron.

Epi andro/Stano products deliver many different results then just proviron, and I will tell you that I have used them extensively as well as proviron and my preference is Epi Andro type products and Stano products hands down.

I have never tried Mestebol though.

Also if you need that LGI Stano cheaper, PM me I can point you in the direction

 

[LMuscle]

I'm going to use Mestebol solely for increased sex drive. I've been on TRT for two years, and even though I have no problem getting an erection, my interest in sex is very low now even though my test levels peak around 1100ng/dL and e2 stays around mid 20's. I had my DHT levels checked during my last blood panel, and the results were in the low normal range. I'm hoping this will be good to run with my TRT regimen of 50mg test enanthate twice/week.

 

[Whacked]

Wouldn't Stano or Epi Andro RX do the exact same for sex drive via SHBG increase?

I'm going to use Mestebol solely for increased sex drive.

 

[Whacked]

I know someone running Mestebol right now to compare it to the Stano type products, but in theory Mestebol would be similar to Proviron.

Epi andro/Stano products deliver many different results then just proviron, and I will tell you that I have used them extensively as well as proviron and my preference is Epi Andro type products and Stano products hands down.

SUCH AS?

 

[LMuscle]

Wouldn't Stano or Epi Andro RX do the exact same for sex drive via SHBG increase?

Please tell me you meant to say SHBG decrease. An increase in SHBG is the last thing I need right now!

 

[jbryand101b]

Epistane is a whole different gain completely then what you are looking for IMO, though it does deliver solid dry lean gains and excellent strength gains..it is a sister compound to the AAS tbol...they are almost identical structurally. Epistane is dry tbol plain and simple. I use Epistane with dozens of my clients. Best two brands out there are the prescription nutrition EPI which is 15mgs per cap, and Havoc by RPN. No other brand touches those imo.

Epistane is completely different in every way than tbol, nothing is similar in structure except its an androgen, an 17a methyl, that's it.

Rx nutrition don't market their hormones correctly, don't have factual write ups, and they are over priced.

 

[tcslick]

Let me know how it goes
it's 35mg a tab though. Proviron I'd need 50mg a day.
So I doubt the effectiveness of this product, for the price.

Man have you ever tried just 25mgs for a few weeks? I ask because I am 25lbs heavier than you and 25mgs lights me up. Libido is through the roof, my body dries out and energy increases. I always run Bayer though so I know it is good stuff

 

[BlumpkinKing]

Man have you ever tried just 25mgs for a few weeks? I ask because I am 25lbs heavier than you and 25mgs lights me up. Libido is through the roof, my body dries out and energy increases. I always run Bayer though so I know it is good stuff

I'm right around 215lbs , 25 did nothing for me. 50 mg was a sweet spot. Gave me some bp issues though.

 

[tcslick]

I'm right around 215lbs , 25 did nothing for me. 50 mg was a sweet spot. Gave me some bp issues though.

I guess we all respond differently to different compounds

 

[LMuscle]

I'm right around 215lbs , 25 did nothing for me. 50 mg was a sweet spot. Gave me some bp issues though.

How much of a bp issue? Was it a little higher, or dangerously high? Did it cause any skin redness?

 

[Whacked]

Yes. Of course I want to decrease the binding

Please tell me you meant to say SHBG decrease. An increase in SHBG is the last thing I need right now!

 

[AlexPowell]

I'd just like to repeat that I am not interested in furthering my muscle mass gains with these products
I chose epistane because I hypothesized that like winstrol, it would preferably bind to SHBG over testosterone and estrogen
If I want more muscle I'll just increase my testosterone or take some dbol

 

[Beau]

Mestebol, problem solved

Yes, I am using it now.

 

[Beau]

Been looking for some reviews on it. I wonder if you have to dose it high to become effective.

I vacillate between two and three per day, taken with Naringin and bioperine.

 

[Beau]

Wouldn't Stano or Epi Andro RX do the exact same for sex drive via SHBG increase?

You mean SHBG decrease; right?

 

[BlumpkinKing]

How much of a bp issue? Was it a little higher, or dangerously high? Did it cause any skin redness?

I did get flush. I actually upped my dose of cycle support. Lgi damage control and it seemed to level out.