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Dumb dum dum dumb....uhhhh, I wonder why one group hates another so much....too bad the group having all their land swallowed up arent Ukrainian or else they would get a 10 quadrillion dollar spending package for space lasers and proton blasters right away and if your oppose your racist.

Now lets talk about who is saying "from the river to the sea" and who is ACTUALLY has already been implementing it!

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Funny stuff.............so its ok to kill innocent people as long as you get some bad guys- my brother is a Colonel in the marines so I have plenty of sources that you don't. Yet people don't need my sources - a little research goes a long way. You think Israel is some sort of beautiful democracy? Benjamin Netanyahu is a devious human being at best. 10's of thousands of people were marching in the streets of Israel just before the attack by Hamas. Ben. N is a dictator who has no interest in democracy.

Protesters call for change to Netanyahu government | Reuters

New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year ago | AP News

Israeli strike kills 4 foreign aid workers, Palestinian driver after delivering food, Gaza medical officials say | PBS NewsHour


So you are the one who won't answer my question- why are we Israel's bitch? why do you give 2 fks about innocent Israeli's dying but not about innocent Palestinian's dying? because you have an agenda or you are to much of a coward to admit BOTH sides are wrong. Why is saying both sides are equally wrong some kind of conspiracy? You are the one with your head in the sand. You don't want to admit that the Israeli gov't is wrong. You blame only one side. Do a little research. Israel was pissed that the U.S.S. Liberty was there. It was a deliberate attack that they tried to cover up.

'We're Fed Up With It': Survivors of the USS Liberty Look for Answers 55 Years Later | Military.com



Again why do you suck the Israeli love muscle?

Having a brother who served doesn't explain why you haven't, and it doesn't excuse your lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, but you don't get a free pass from spreading wacky conspiracy theories.

It is a sad fact of war that innocent people sometimes get killed in the effort to get the bad guys. Its not the preferred choice, but collateral damage happens. As does friendly fire accidents. Bad things happen in war, but the calculus is that we attempt to do more good than bad, and in the end save more lives then we would otherwise have lost. Ask your brother (since you didn't serve yourself).

You think ISIS didn't have wives and children in camp when we bombed the **** out of them? You think there weren't women and children in Dresden or Hiroshima or Hue or Falluja???? Heck, we killed Americans on both sides in our Civil war! In the military we don't get to pick and choose what lives are more important, the mission always has to come first. And if it wasn't for the military making these hard choices for the greater good, you wouldn't have a forum to spread your intellectually weak propaganda.

You can't simply rely on Benjamin Netanyahu conspiracy theories. There have been over 30 different Israeli Prime Ministers. Netanyahu has been voted out, voted back in, voted out, and voted back in again. You can't blame 'him' if he isn't always in charge, and since you can't name another Israeli leader you like, then your problem isn't really with Netanyahu. Maybe you actually ARE an anti-semite and you are one brown shirt away from making some really bad life decisions....

If the Israeli's heard about a planned attack (as if there was ever a time Hamas wasn't planning an attack) it doesn't mean they knew enough details to stop it. And with protests against the Netanyahu government prior to the attack, don't you think that would also have been a distraction to the government and made them less effective in finding and stopping an attack? THINK!!

And that doesn't excuse those who conducted the Oct 7th attack, raping and killing women and children, burning civilians alive, taking civilians hostage. F' Hamas and the 80% of Palestinians who still support them to this day. The IDF needs to hunt down every one of the Oct 7th planners and leaders, and any so-called "innocent" Palestinians who supported Hamas or participated in any way... and as leader of the civilized free world, we should be helping them.

They are NOT both equally wrong. Especially not after Oct 7th (where Palestinians also killed 32 Americans)!! This war could be over tomorrow if your Palestinian pals released the hostages (including 6 Americans) and turned over the Hamas leaders for trial. THEY choose to keep fighting and thus choose to keep dying. The Palestinians cannot live side by side in peace with anyone (which is why no Muslim neighbor will welcome them in) and why Israel has been able to make peace with several of its Arab neighbors. Just read the Hamas government charter, dummy. It calls for them to kill every jew.


I have answered your silly "bitch" question several times already. You suck at reading. We are "allies". We help them and they help us. That's what the word means. Get a dictionary. Maybe print this out and ask for help. Sheeeesh!

The USS Liberty is a dopey argument. I already gave far worse examples where we now have strong alliances and friendships with Japan (after Pearl Harbor) and England (after burning our US capitol down) and Germany (who killed a half million Americans) and the Vietnamese, etc. And STILL you keep bringing up the USS Liberty like the Rain Main before he drives around the same circle.

 
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@ax1 - if you are looking for a response, maybe post something and wait for the response. That would be both polite and productive. :cool:

Otherwise, these waves of nonsensical posts looks more like Libertarian Tourettes Syndrome... LOL

NOTE - Trump to speak at the Libertarian convention in DC!

 
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@ax1 - if you are looking for a response, maybe post something and wait for the response. That would be both polite and productive. :cool:

Otherwise, these waves of nonsensical posts looks more like Libertarian Tourettes Syndrome... LOL

NOTE - Trump to speak at the Libertarian convention in DC!

I like having fun while trying to give my sincere honest take on things, and memes are all part of the messaging I go with. I know where you stand and I totally respect where you stand. We just see things politically differently but I know you love our country so your a good dude in my books. Feel free to shout at me as you please and whenever :)

True fun fact: I have had more ban requests just for expressing my political views on here than anyone else in the history of the anabolicminds forum....I do appreciate you hold your ground and not be a biiiaaacchhhhh and try to get me off of here just cause my views are different. Actually I did have someone banned once (not even anything to do with me) but he came in here talking about having violent revolutions just because Dump took office in 2016, I was like wwhhhaatttt?? Fuq outta here with that bullshyt!
 
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NOTE - Trump to speak at the Libertarian convention in DC!

He tried to recruit Libertarians 4 years ago, it was ridiculous, Dump is NOT Libertarian, no way, not at all he is a big government socialist authoritarian Republican goblin like most of the rest of them (you can argue he may be some of the least worst of them, ok) Nothing about most of his policies are Libertarian at all, he needs to just stay Republican and recruit new Republicans cause I have absolutely no interest in his disastrous countless anti-Constitutional policies.... not that I cant sit with him at a dinner table and enjoy a talk with him and agree on general issues here and there, but implementation we are far apart on most.

Ill listen to what he has to say though, he is an entertaining dude. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Ill be over in Sicily when the Convention happens but should be able to catch up on things while over there.
 
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You think ISIS didn't have wives and children in camp when we bombed the **** out of them? You think there weren't women and children in Dresden or Hiroshima or Hue or Falluja???? Heck, we killed Americans on both sides in our Civil war! In the military we don't get to pick and choose what lives are more important, the mission always has to come first. And if it wasn't for the military making these hard choices for the greater good, you wouldn't have a forum to spread your intellectually weak propaganda.
The US Government created ISIS, another one of countless evil acts of Republicrats and Demicans working behind the scenes to cause up trouble on land that is none of our business (unless your Haliburton, Blackrock and Raytheon.)

Dropping a nuclear weapon on a villige of innocent civilians was a pure act of evil and completely unnecessary to finish that war, and no not countless American lives would have been lost, but the swamp says so, so it must be true.

The Civil War was one of the worst policy decisions in human civiliazion. Civil War had nothing to do with Slavery, if it was they simply could have followed the British model and bought them out then freed them. Would have been a fraction of the cost and countless lives saves. Of course, Abraham Lincoln sure was one of if not the worst Presdient in US history for either being just that dumb or being totally corrupt which the latter is likely correct as that was was launched as a government power grab to industrialize the south and Constitution hating power grabbing Republivkins love war and profits and running your life. After 160 years nothing has changed with them, they need to go.
 
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Having a brother who served doesn't explain why you haven't, and it doesn't excuse your lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, but you don't get a free pass from spreading wacky conspiracy theories.

It is a sad fact of war that innocent people sometimes get killed in the effort to get the bad guys. Its not the preferred choice, but collateral damage happens. As does friendly fire accidents. Bad things happen in war, but the calculus is that we attempt to do more good than bad, and in the end save more lives then we would otherwise have lost. Ask your brother (since you didn't serve yourself).

You think ISIS didn't have wives and children in camp when we bombed the **** out of them? You think there weren't women and children in Dresden or Hiroshima or Hue or Falluja???? Heck, we killed Americans on both sides in our Civil war! In the military we don't get to pick and choose what lives are more important, the mission always has to come first. And if it wasn't for the military making these hard choices for the greater good, you wouldn't have a forum to spread your intellectually weak propaganda.

You can't simply rely on Benjamin Netanyahu conspiracy theories. There have been over 30 different Israeli Prime Ministers. Netanyahu has been voted out, voted back in, voted out, and voted back in again. You can't blame 'him' if he isn't always in charge, and since you can't name another Israeli leader you like, then your problem isn't really with Netanyahu. Maybe you actually ARE an anti-semite and you are one brown shirt away from making some really bad life decisions....

If the Israeli's heard about a planned attack (as if there was ever a time Hamas wasn't planning an attack) it doesn't mean they knew enough details to stop it. And with protests against the Netanyahu government prior to the attack, don't you think that would also have been a distraction to the government and made them less effective in finding and stopping an attack? THINK!!

And that doesn't excuse those who conducted the Oct 7th attack, raping and killing women and children, burning civilians alive, taking civilians hostage. F' Hamas and the 80% of Palestinians who still support them to this day. The IDF needs to hunt down every one of the Oct 7th planners and leaders, and any so-called "innocent" Palestinians who supported Hamas or participated in any way... and as leader of the civilized free world, we should be helping them.

They are NOT both equally wrong. Especially not after Oct 7th (where Palestinians also killed 32 Americans)!! This war could be over tomorrow if your Palestinian pals released the hostages (including 6 Americans) and turned over the Hamas leaders for trial. THEY choose to keep fighting and thus choose to keep dying. The Palestinians cannot live side by side in peace with anyone (which is why no Muslim neighbor will welcome them in) and why Israel has been able to make peace with several of its Arab neighbors. Just read the Hamas government charter, dummy. It calls for them to kill every jew.


I have answered your silly "bitch" question several times already. You suck at reading. We are "allies". We help them and they help us. That's what the word means. Get a dictionary. Maybe print this out and ask for help. Sheeeesh!

The USS Liberty is a dopey argument. I already gave far worse examples where we now have strong alliances and friendships with Japan (after Pearl Harbor) and England (after burning our US capitol down) and Germany (who killed a half million Americans) and the Vietnamese, etc. And STILL you keep bringing up the USS Liberty like the Rain Main before he drives around the same circle.

Actually you are the only one on here with "intellectually" weak arguements. So, because the U.S. is allies with Israel we have to stand with everything the Israeli gov't does? Do you realize how ignorant that is? Again- do just a small amount of research- you think a bunch of cavemen from Palestine could parachute over, and all of the sudden launch thousands of rockets undetected? Have you ever heard of the Iron Dome? What you are telling me is Israel has every right to kill innocent people because in the process they are killing Hamas terrorists. OKay- whatever makes you feel better.

Here's where you show your true ignorance and bigoted nature: Quote " Maybe you actually ARE an anti-semite and you are one brown shirt away from making some really bad life decisions...."

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does that mean? People can't be anti-semite? but it's okay to be anti-muslim or anti anything? But as soon as you talk bad about Israel then that means one is making bad life decisions- that's an absolutely brain dead statement by you. I don't give a **** about Israel or Palestine. The kids on campus causing chaos should have their ass kicked for supporting HAMAS. You seem to not think people like me can hate both HAMAS and the Israeli gov't. That isn't a bad life decision- that is my opinion and if you don't like it- so be it.

I've worked in 11 countries. Several in the middle east. Your ignorance shows because the only thing you believe is what you see on tv. You think everything to the contrary is crazy "conspiracy" theories. I know for a fact Israel knew the U.S.S. Liberty was an American ship and they attacked it on purpose. There are literally dozens of people who were involved that testified that as a fact.

You're only excuse is to why we are Israel's bitch is because "we are allies" we should do everything to protect them. That is the weakest, most ignorant reason I have ever seen. So your gov't tells you we should be allies with Israel and you will take that to your grave it seems. Our government loves people like you. Why? Why are we allies with Israel? Do some research!

I mean President Bush and the rest of our crooked politicians used 9/11 as an excuse to murder over a million Iraqi's. I guess you agreed with that war as well. Not ONE weapon of mass destruction was EVER found. That was a bullshit excuse!!! Funny how you think because I wasn't in the service that I don't understand war or international affairs. Like I said, I've been involved and worked in the Middle East. I have experienced and talked to more people about stuff then you will in your lifetime.

You probably believe the United States killed Momar Gaddafi because he was some kind of tyrant dictator. They killed him for oil- plain and simple. Or actually because he threatened to change the standard currency for oil exchange to the Gold African Dinar instead of using the petrodollar. His people loved him- look up the world's largest and most successful irrigation project that he used to bring fresh water to his people....................like I said- do some research or STFU. Heck you probably support the United States gov't murdering his daughter when they bombed his house in 1986......because the media told you he was EVIL

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The US Government created ISIS, another one of countless evil acts of Republicrats and Demicans working behind the scenes to cause up trouble on land that is none of our business (unless your Haliburton and Raytheon.)

Dropping a nuclear weapon on a villige of innocent civilians was a pure act of evil and completely unnecessary to finish that war, and no not countless American lives would have been lost, but the swamp says so, so it must be true.

The Civil War was one of the worst policy decisions in human civiliazion. Civil War had nothing to do with Slavery, if it was they simply could have followed the British model and bought them out then freed them. Would have been a fraction of the cost and countless lives saves. Of course, Abraham Lincoln sure was one of if not the worst Presdient in US history for either being just that dumb or being totally corrupt which the latter is likely correct as that was was launched as a government power grab to industrialize the south and Constitution hating power grabbing Republivkins love war and profits and running your life. After 160 years nothing has changed with them, they need to go.
woah- don't give him facts....he will think the gov't creating ISIS is another CRAZY conspiracy theory!!

Bam Bam may mean well, but he is absolutely naive, clueless, or he has an agenda. I'm a Patriot and you and I have disagreed about Trump but Bam thinks everything that isn't in the main stream media is a "conspiracy theory".................

I guess he wouldn't believe that we used our military to actually protect the opium farmers in Afghanistan so more heroin could be made..................

I have arguements at work with people like him- they just can't believe our gov't is capable of these things.....they are brainwashed to think our gov't looks out for our best interests....

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I guess he wouldn't believe that we used our military to actually protect the opium farmers in Afghanistan so more heroin could be made..................
That was sooooo nutty that when the Taliban who hated opium (and had it mostly eradicated before the illegal war was launched which afterwards became 90% of the global supply thanks to our defense budget) destroyed the opium farmers crops the military would hand over our tax dollars in cash as compensation for their opium being destroyed. Its just pure sickness.

Its all on video too....if it wasnt for that Id be called a liar, but then people come out with some lame excuse anyways such as "they need jobs, without income there is no change" LMMMFFAOOOO!!!!!!

US Military Helping Afghan Farmers Grow Opium Poppies!


U.S. Soldiers Grow Opium Heroin Poppy in Afganistan - Fox News.avi


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Funny thing- I worked in Libya- the people miss Momar Gaddafi yet according the our gov't he was a ruthless, corrupt, terrorist dictator! People and clueless or quick to call others liars or "conspiracy" theorists because they only believe what the tv tells them. Sad times ahead for people like that!
 
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Funny thing- I worked in Libya- the people miss Momar Gaddafi yet according the our gov't he was a ruthless, corrupt, terrorist dictator! People and clueless or quick to call others liars or "conspiracy" theorists because they only believe what the tv tells them. Sad times ahead for people like that!
After that speech/rant at the United Nations (that was a classic lol) along with his plans to make all of Africa united, rich and strong independent from the globalists he had to go.

May I ask what you did for a living? If not all is cool I totally understand.
 

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After that speech/rant at the United Nations (that was a classic lol) along with his plans to make all of Africa united, rich and strong independent from the globalists he had to go.

May I ask what you did for a living? If not all is cool I totally understand.
No problem at all- I'm a Sr. Subsea Engineer in the Oil and Gas industry. I've mostly worked in the Deep Water Gulf of Mexico but I have worked in Mexico, Libya, Egypt, Nigeria, Scotland, Australia, Brazil, Trinidad, and several others for work related issues. I'll be heading back to Nigeria this coming July for about a year. (28 days on and 28 off).
 
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Here's a good reason for those leeches in Israel to wipe out Gaza..............


 
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Actually you are the only one on here with "intellectually" weak arguements. So, because the U.S. is allies with Israel we have to stand with everything the Israeli gov't does? Do you realize how ignorant that is? Again- do just a small amount of research- you think a bunch of cavemen from Palestine could parachute over, and all of the sudden launch thousands of rockets undetected? Have you ever heard of the Iron Dome? What you are telling me is Israel has every right to kill innocent people because in the process they are killing Hamas terrorists. OKay- whatever makes you feel better.

Here's where you show your true ignorance and bigoted nature: Quote " Maybe you actually ARE an anti-semite and you are one brown shirt away from making some really bad life decisions...."

WTF
does that mean? People can't be anti-semite? but it's okay to be anti-muslim or anti anything? But as soon as you talk bad about Israel then that means one is making bad life decisions- that's an absolutely brain dead statement by you. I don't give a **** about Israel or Palestine. The kids on campus causing chaos should have their ass kicked for supporting HAMAS. You seem to not think people like me can hate both HAMAS and the Israeli gov't. That isn't a bad life decision- that is my opinion and if you don't like it- so be it.

I've worked in 11 countries. Several in the middle east. Your ignorance shows because the only thing you believe is what you see on tv. You think everything to the contrary is crazy "conspiracy" theories. I know for a fact Israel knew the U.S.S. Liberty was an American ship and they attacked it on purpose. There are literally dozens of people who were involved that testified that as a fact.

You're only excuse is to why we are Israel's bitch is because "we are allies" we should do everything to protect them. That is the weakest, most ignorant reason I have ever seen. So your gov't tells you we should be allies with Israel and you will take that to your grave it seems. Our government loves people like you. Why? Why are we allies with Israel? Do some research!

I mean President Bush and the rest of our crooked politicians used 9/11 as an excuse to murder over a million Iraqi's. I guess you agreed with that war as well. Not ONE weapon of mass destruction was EVER found. That was a bullshit excuse!!! Funny how you think because I wasn't in the service that I don't understand war or international affairs. Like I said, I've been involved and worked in the Middle East. I have experienced and talked to more people about stuff then you will in your lifetime.

You probably believe the United States killed Momar Gaddafi because he was some kind of tyrant dictator. They killed him for oil- plain and simple. Or actually because he threatened to change the standard currency for oil exchange to the Gold African Dinar instead of using the petrodollar. His people loved him- look up the world's largest and most successful irrigation project that he used to bring fresh water to his people....................like I said- do some research or STFU. Heck you probably support the United States gov't murdering his daughter when they bombed his house in 1986......because the media told you he was EVIL

Get a clue dude.
Another reason I say you have "intellectually weak arguements" is because you spelled the word 'arguments' wrong. The forum even puts a little red line under the misspelled word to say, "Hey conspiracy dummy look at THIS!". It's a minor point, but it again shows the effort and accuracy behind your thought process and 'research'. LOL

You somehow think traveling correlates with intelligence and understanding. Look how much @ax1 has travelled and listen to the silly **** he believes. It's as if you guys think frequent flier miles count towards your SAT score. WOW!

Since you can't answer a direct question, I'll do it for you. The reason YOU never served is because you lack commitment and understanding. And I only make this point because THAT is the root of your conspiracy theory problem, too. All you conspiracy guys claim to "research" things presenting faulty pseudoscience to doubt everything, but then never fully commit to any position, to claim you never "really" believed all of it, to pretend you were never wrong, to keep the conspiracy circle alive. Its a mental illness. And its spreading throughout America like a cancer!

Some things we really do know for sure. If you think controlled demolition took down the twin towers on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think a missile rather than a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think the earth is flat, or that we didn't land on the moon, you are an idiot. If you think there might be a giant bigfoot roaming the woods of America, you are an idiot. If you claim you are just asking questions and don't really 100% believe those things, its the exact conspiracy loop I described above, and to quote Jeff Foxworthy, "Heeeeeeere's your sign!"

Sure, there are some legit scams the government pulls (every government) and some conspiracies do exist. But it doesn't make EVERY wacky idea on the internet a secret government conspiracy, there are times when something really DID happen, events can be clearly right and wrong, and you need to pick a side and stand for something. Which is why people more courageous than you choose to serve, and protect your right to keep spreading childish fantasies. Until this stupidity loop reaches critical mass and this happy little house of cards crashes down around ALL of us....

You keep bringing up the USS Liberty where 34 Americans were killed in 1967, despite the great friendships we have with nations who did 100x worse to us. But you never say anything about those other nations. Only the bad Jews and the USS liberty. Odd.

And you never bring up the specifics of the Oct 7th attack. You never list the atrocities and brutality and deliberate torture of Jewish civilians. Palestinians killed 32 Americans on that day (maybe 34 once the hostages turn up dead) the same as the USS Liberty event, but you never mention that. We are not talking about 1967, we are talking about right here, right now. They friggin' live streamed the murders and sent the videos to their families using the phones of the victims!

Somehow you only list negative things about Jews. Read back through the text. In pages and pages, was there a single Jew you ever liked?? You tried to argue that Netanyahu was bad. But I pointed out there is no other Israeli PM that you liked any better. You never mentioned one good thing the Jews ever did, why we should even help them, and don't seem to mind people talking about killing Jews. Hence the 1938 brown shirt analogy. Then when challenged you try to claim you don't really believe that, that both sides are equally bad (gotta keep the conspiracy loop alive). Because if the conspiracy loop ever broke down, you would be personally humiliated for all of the time you wasted on this crap, and your lack or critical thinking would be exposed.

I would have supported a 2-state solution in the past, but Oct 7th changes everything. Its the equivalent of them killing over 40,000 Americans on 9/11... unless you suck at math as well as reading. And the Palestinians say they will conduct another Oct 7th every day, every week, every month, every year. Because you are willing to look the other way and let them....


How do we know the Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes to slaughter innocent Israelis?? They F'ing filmed it you dummy, and we have the gopro footage recovered from their dead soldiers. We have seen the tunnels they built (with stolen US aid you helped pay for) to sneak up to the fence and break through. We have the videos of Palestinians taking screaming civilian hostages away on motorbikes. We found the rocket launchers and homemade missile factories. The reason these a-holes don't have clean water, is because they cut up the water pipes we bought for them to make more rockets to kill more kill Jews.


At what point do you stop with the silly conspiracy theories and realize maybe the Palestinians are not all that innocent, that they are raising their children to hate and kill Jews, and that one side is far more responsible for the continued cycle of hate and murder, and that this needs to stop....


The IDF even showed the captured Palestinian GoPro video to news organizations, the horrible proof that they raped innocent women and burned babies alive, lest it ever be forgotten. The same as was said when they filmed the WW2 holocausts death camps. And as history is repeating itself, you are willing to look away. Worse, you are so mentally crippled by conspiracy theories that you don't even believe monsters are real...

 
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Here's a good reason for those leeches in Israel to wipe out Gaza..............



And HERE is the counter-point to your goofy Gaza Canal video. Not everything is a conspiracy, and YouTube spreads anti-Semitism and misinformation to gullible rubes and useful idiots.

 
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The IDF even showed the captured Palestinian GoPro video to news organizations, the horrible proof that they raped innocent women and burned babies alive, lest it ever be forgotten. The same as was said when they filmed the WW2 holocausts death camps. And as history is repeating itself, you are willing to look away. Worse, you are so mentally crippled by conspiracy theories that you don't even believe monsters are real...

Israel created HAMAS as an opposition movement to Palestine Authority to create division and Israeli government is no better murdering countless babies and children for decades while raping their land away which isnt ok if "Putin was doing it."

If you government interventionists really have any true ethical crediblity though your love bombs you would overthrow both sides and get rid of them all, they can all bunk beds in Gitmo together.

In the meantime the US government threatens my life with guns to fund all their corrupt bullcrap so lets stop with the distractions and restore freedom in America because your not going to get it by focusing issues on lands we have no business in.
 
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I would have supported a 2-state solution in the past, but Oct 7th changes everything. Its the equivalent of them killing over 40,000 Americans on 9/11... unless you suck at math as well as reading. And the Palestinians say they will conduct another Oct 7th every day, every week, every month, every year. Because you are willing to look the other way and let them....
If you care about October the you would call for Neten-yahoo to be arrested, but its ok if Palestinie's live October the 7th just about every day for decades, but they arent Ukrainian sitting on a pile of natural resources and rare earth elements and Putin isnt calling the land grabs so lets turn our heads and authorize corrupt US government officials to steal our money at gunpoint so their corporate oligarchs financing them keep stuffing their pockets with bitcoin hard wallets.
 
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And you never bring up the specifics of the Oct 7th attack. You never list the atrocities and brutality and deliberate torture of Jewish civilians. Palestinians killed 32 Americans on that day
It really is phony, if this happened in Congo later today nobody would give a rats ass and you know it.

Besides the obvious that what took place that day in Israel is a complete strategic technical impossibility. You have better chance having a starving legless homeless man catching a doughnut rolling down a hill.
 
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Hopefully my spelling proves accurate or somehow that would invalidate all my work in here today.

 
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We know how this all goes, Putin takes some land, "he's a terrorist" lets give the victims all the nukes and drop them on their enemies. If Israeli government takes the land give Israeli terrorists all the nukes and drop them on the victims! Whoopie!!!!

Interventionists are loaded with all hypocrisy and pick and choose who they can authorize mass murder too.

Israel advances peak number of West Bank settlement plans in 2023, watchdog says

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JERUSALEM, July 13 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's religious-nationalist government has promoted a record number of housing units in settlements in the occupied West Bank in its first six months, Israeli anti-settlement watchdog Peace Now said on Thursday.

Most countries deem Jewish settlements built on land Israel occupied in a 1967 Middle East war as illegal, and their continued expansion has for decades been among the most contentious issues between Israel, the Palestinians and the international community.

Since January, Israel has advanced 12,855 settler housing units across the West Bank, said Peace Now - the highest number the group has recorded since it started tracking such activity in 2012.
"In the past six months, the only sector that Israel has vigorously promoted is the settlement enterprise," it said in a statement.

Palestinian leaders have sought to establish an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as its capital. They say settlements cut Palestinian communities from each other and undermine hopes of a viable state.

 
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We know how this all goes, Putin takes some land, "he's a terrorist" lets give the victims all the nukes. If Israel takes the land give Israeli terrorists all the nukes! Whoopie!!!!

Interventionists are loaded with all hypocrisy and pick and choose who they can authorize mass murder too.

Israel advances peak number of West Bank settlement plans in 2023, watchdog says

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July 13, 20232:09 PM EDT

JERUSALEM, July 13 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's religious-nationalist government has promoted a record number of housing units in settlements in the occupied West Bank in its first six months, Israeli anti-settlement watchdog Peace Now said on Thursday.

Most countries deem Jewish settlements built on land Israel occupied in a 1967 Middle East war as illegal, and their continued expansion has for decades been among the most contentious issues between Israel, the Palestinians and the international community.

Since January, Israel has advanced 12,855 settler housing units across the West Bank, said Peace Now - the highest number the group has recorded since it started tracking such activity in 2012.
"In the past six months, the only sector that Israel has vigorously promoted is the settlement enterprise," it said in a statement.

Palestinian leaders have sought to establish an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as its capital. They say settlements cut Palestinian communities from each other and undermine hopes of a viable state.

 

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Another reason I say you have "intellectually weak arguements" is because you spelled the word 'arguments' wrong. The forum even puts a little red line under the misspelled word to say, "Hey conspiracy dummy look at THIS!". It's a minor point, but it again shows the effort and accuracy behind your thought process and 'research'. LOL

You somehow think traveling correlates with intelligence and understanding. Look how much @ax1 has travelled and listen to the silly **** he believes. It's as if you guys think frequent flier miles count towards your SAT score. WOW!

Since you can't answer a direct question, I'll do it for you. The reason YOU never served is because you lack commitment and understanding. And I only make this point because THAT is the root of your conspiracy theory problem, too. All you conspiracy guys claim to "research" things presenting faulty pseudoscience to doubt everything, but then never fully commit to any position, to claim you never "really" believed all of it, to pretend you were never wrong, to keep the conspiracy circle alive. Its a mental illness. And its spreading throughout America like a cancer!

Some things we really do know for sure. If you think controlled demolition took down the twin towers on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think a missile rather than a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think the earth is flat, or that we didn't land on the moon, you are an idiot. If you think there might be a giant bigfoot roaming the woods of America, you are an idiot. If you claim you are just asking questions and don't really 100% believe those things, its the exact conspiracy loop I described above, and to quote Jeff Foxworthy, "Heeeeeeere's your sign!"

Sure, there are some legit scams the government pulls (every government) and some conspiracies do exist. But it doesn't make EVERY wacky idea on the internet a secret government conspiracy, there are times when something really DID happen, events can be clearly right and wrong, and you need to pick a side and stand for something. Which is why people more courageous than you choose to serve, and protect your right to keep spreading childish fantasies. Until this stupidity loop reaches critical mass and this happy little house of cards crashes down around ALL of us....

You keep bringing up the USS Liberty where 34 Americans were killed in 1967, despite the great friendships we have with nations who did 100x worse to us. But you never say anything about those other nations. Only the bad Jews and the USS liberty. Odd.

And you never bring up the specifics of the Oct 7th attack. You never list the atrocities and brutality and deliberate torture of Jewish civilians. Palestinians killed 32 Americans on that day (maybe 34 once the hostages turn up dead) the same as the USS Liberty event, but you never mention that. We are not talking about 1967, we are talking about right here, right now. They friggin' live streamed the murders and sent the videos to their families using the phones of the victims!

Somehow you only list negative things about Jews. Read back through the text. In pages and pages, was there a single Jew you ever liked?? You tried to argue that Netanyahu was bad. But I pointed out there is no other Israeli PM that you liked any better. You never mentioned one good thing the Jews ever did, why we should even help them, and don't seem to mind people talking about killing Jews. Hence the 1938 brown shirt analogy. Then when challenged you try to claim you don't really believe that, that both sides are equally bad (gotta keep the conspiracy loop alive). Because if the conspiracy loop ever broke down, you would be personally humiliated for all of the time you wasted on this crap, and your lack or critical thinking would be exposed.

I would have supported a 2-state solution in the past, but Oct 7th changes everything. Its the equivalent of them killing over 40,000 Americans on 9/11... unless you suck at math as well as reading. And the Palestinians say they will conduct another Oct 7th every day, every week, every month, every year. Because you are willing to look the other way and let them....


How do we know the Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes to slaughter innocent Israelis?? They F'ing filmed it you dummy, and we have the gopro footage recovered from their dead soldiers. We have seen the tunnels they built (with stolen US aid you helped pay for) to sneak up to the fence and break through. We have the videos of Palestinians taking screaming civilian hostages away on motorbikes. We found the rocket launchers and homemade missile factories. The reason these a-holes don't have clean water, is because they cut up the water pipes we bought for them to make more rockets to kill more kill Jews.


At what point do you stop with the silly conspiracy theories and realize maybe the Palestinians are not all that innocent, that they are raising their children to hate and kill Jews, and that one side is far more responsible for the continued cycle of hate and murder, and that this needs to stop....


The IDF even showed the captured Palestinian GoPro video to news organizations, the horrible proof that they raped innocent women and burned babies alive, lest it ever be forgotten. The same as was said when they filmed the WW2 holocausts death camps. And as history is repeating itself, you are willing to look away. Worse, you are so mentally crippled by conspiracy theories that you don't even believe monsters are real...

When did you ever ask me why I never served? Guess I missed that- You say it's because I lack commitment and understanding- It's because I had good grades and received a partial scholarship- once in school I worked 3 jobs and paid to get a degree in Finance. I wanted to be a Wall Street broker. It had nothing to do with commitment. That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I'm a Patriot and respect everyone that's ever been in the military. No sure WTF you are talking about. It's our gov'ts misuse of the military that I don't approve of. Now here is where you show just how ignorant or stupid you are: How do we know the Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes to slaughter innocent Israelis?? They F'ing filmed it you dummy, and we have the gopro footage recovered from their dead soldiers. I never denied any of that or thought that was some kind of conspiracy- Again- WTF are you talking about? I said fk both sides!! You ignore the fact that the IDF has killed even more innocent civilians. All you scream about is October 7th- you don't care about anything else as you said. You no longer want a 2 state solution as you admitted. So you just want Israel to kill every one in Palestine if that is what it takes. Got it!! You sir are are fking moron! 2 wrongs makes a right in your playbook!

I never said traveling/air miles made me more intelligent or understanding. I worked side by side with......Libyans, Egyptians, Iranians, and back in the day a bunch of old school Russians that lived through the Communist CCCP and actually liked those days better than the "new" Capitalistic society of Russia! The conversations I had with those men were truly eye opening. You don't have a fking clue!! You are blind sided by October 7th!!!

So you agree with spending hundreds of billions of our dollars for Israel, Ukraine, Iraq, and whatever country our corrupt gov't calls our Allies!! They love dumb bastards like you!! You ignore the Iron Dome that somehow failed to catch the hundreds/thousands of rockets that landed in Israel on Oct. 7th.

I never said the towers were demo'd- however if you believe the story the gov't gave us then you are a fool and everyone is laughing at you for believing it- It was allowed to happen so we could go to war for our precious resource control!! Oil since you don't have a clue. You never mentioned Libya? Cat got your tongue on that one?

I never paid much attention to the other PM's of Israel. I'm more worried about our country- just as you should be! However, Ben. N has made America his bitch, and you don't seem to understand why. Now they are trying to pass laws where you can't criticize Jews/Israel? I bet you support losing our First Amendment rights!!

So what crazy conspiracy do I believe in again? Flat earth- nope, bigfoot-nope, fake moon landing- not really but I believe it would be possible.

What position have I not fully commited to? Fk Hamas and the Israeli gov't. That's my position 100%

Fk. giving billions to Israel and Ukraine! That's my position 100%

I'm a Patriot and love my country. All my family and friends know that. You don't have to be a former soldier to be a Patriot. I'd argue many former soldiers hate their country now. I put my money where my mouth is- I've hosted Side x Side rides on my property raising money for Wheelchairs for Warriors. You should tread carefully if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
 
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However, Ben. N has made America his bitch, and you don't seem to understand why. Now they are trying to pass laws where you can't criticize Jews/Israel? I bet you support losing our First Amendment rights!!
Hint why they force you to love Israel but if 5 million babies get slaughtered in Congo tomorrow they dont brainwash society to really give a crap as long as the keep making more babies so when they grow up in 5 years they can mine more rare earth elements for Tesla batteries:

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What position have I not fully commited to? Fk Hamas and the Israeli gov't. That's my position 100%

Fk. giving billions to Israel and Ukraine! That's my position 100%
True story, I was in NYC with my wife back in November and she wanted to get some Oysters at Grand Central Station and outside was all chaotic, National Guard everywhere with their rifles out and they would let us enter without pre-paid tickets because they main room led by the "Jewish Voice for Peace" had thousands of people and many many good Jewish people calling for a Ceasefire to the war in Gaza and it barely got any coverage at all.

Things they dont want you to see. Government HATES anti-war protests that have meaning to them and potential grow, they will do everything they can to silence, crush, inflitrate, distort, etc.....If I wasnt there I never would have searched for as to what the fuq was happening there.

I know people who were at the Vietnam protests, totally infiltrated by the CIA and FBI...COINTELPRO, they will most certainly use the same tricks if things escalate. That being said anyone falling for these HAM-ASS assholes fuq them but thats the nature of distortion and deception, it gets dangerous especially manipulating inexperienced youth.

The only reason we dont have a draft today is that they dont want another Vietnam era of protests.

Speaking of Vietnam.....same shyt different time, most kill them over there so we dont have to kill them over hear...they are "terrorists" LMFAO if people just pick up a book and study history carefully they wont fall for the stupid crap they still pull on the sheep these days. Even BAM just gave the Vietnamese a compliment as an allie, recently in here, but Im sure he'ed be arguing the same nonesense back then as he is today.

Did my spelling come through ok? Dont want to invalidate this post hahaa

 

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Hint why they force you to love Israel but if 5 million babies get slaughtered in Congo tomorrow they dont brainwash society to really give a crap as long as the keep making more babies so when they grow up in 5 years they can mine more rare earth elements for Tesla batteries:

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WOW- I didn't realize so many Biden cronies were Jewish! It does make one wonder!
 
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Another reason I say you have "intellectually weak arguements" is because you spelled the word 'arguments' wrong. The forum even puts a little red line under the misspelled word to say, "Hey conspiracy dummy look at THIS!". It's a minor point, but it again shows the effort and accuracy behind your thought process and 'research'. LOL

You somehow think traveling correlates with intelligence and understanding. Look how much @ax1 has travelled and listen to the silly **** he believes. It's as if you guys think frequent flier miles count towards your SAT score. WOW!

Since you can't answer a direct question, I'll do it for you. The reason YOU never served is because you lack commitment and understanding. And I only make this point because THAT is the root of your conspiracy theory problem, too. All you conspiracy guys claim to "research" things presenting faulty pseudoscience to doubt everything, but then never fully commit to any position, to claim you never "really" believed all of it, to pretend you were never wrong, to keep the conspiracy circle alive. Its a mental illness. And its spreading throughout America like a cancer!

Some things we really do know for sure. If you think controlled demolition took down the twin towers on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think a missile rather than a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, you are an idiot. If you think the earth is flat, or that we didn't land on the moon, you are an idiot. If you think there might be a giant bigfoot roaming the woods of America, you are an idiot. If you claim you are just asking questions and don't really 100% believe those things, its the exact conspiracy loop I described above, and to quote Jeff Foxworthy, "Heeeeeeere's your sign!"

Sure, there are some legit scams the government pulls (every government) and some conspiracies do exist. But it doesn't make EVERY wacky idea on the internet a secret government conspiracy, there are times when something really DID happen, events can be clearly right and wrong, and you need to pick a side and stand for something. Which is why people more courageous than you choose to serve, and protect your right to keep spreading childish fantasies. Until this stupidity loop reaches critical mass and this happy little house of cards crashes down around ALL of us....

You keep bringing up the USS Liberty where 34 Americans were killed in 1967, despite the great friendships we have with nations who did 100x worse to us. But you never say anything about those other nations. Only the bad Jews and the USS liberty. Odd.

And you never bring up the specifics of the Oct 7th attack. You never list the atrocities and brutality and deliberate torture of Jewish civilians. Palestinians killed 32 Americans on that day (maybe 34 once the hostages turn up dead) the same as the USS Liberty event, but you never mention that. We are not talking about 1967, we are talking about right here, right now. They friggin' live streamed the murders and sent the videos to their families using the phones of the victims!

Somehow you only list negative things about Jews. Read back through the text. In pages and pages, was there a single Jew you ever liked?? You tried to argue that Netanyahu was bad. But I pointed out there is no other Israeli PM that you liked any better. You never mentioned one good thing the Jews ever did, why we should even help them, and don't seem to mind people talking about killing Jews. Hence the 1938 brown shirt analogy. Then when challenged you try to claim you don't really believe that, that both sides are equally bad (gotta keep the conspiracy loop alive). Because if the conspiracy loop ever broke down, you would be personally humiliated for all of the time you wasted on this crap, and your lack or critical thinking would be exposed.

I would have supported a 2-state solution in the past, but Oct 7th changes everything. Its the equivalent of them killing over 40,000 Americans on 9/11... unless you suck at math as well as reading. And the Palestinians say they will conduct another Oct 7th every day, every week, every month, every year. Because you are willing to look the other way and let them....


How do we know the Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes to slaughter innocent Israelis?? They F'ing filmed it you dummy, and we have the gopro footage recovered from their dead soldiers. We have seen the tunnels they built (with stolen US aid you helped pay for) to sneak up to the fence and break through. We have the videos of Palestinians taking screaming civilian hostages away on motorbikes. We found the rocket launchers and homemade missile factories. The reason these a-holes don't have clean water, is because they cut up the water pipes we bought for them to make more rockets to kill more kill Jews.


At what point do you stop with the silly conspiracy theories and realize maybe the Palestinians are not all that innocent, that they are raising their children to hate and kill Jews, and that one side is far more responsible for the continued cycle of hate and murder, and that this needs to stop....


The IDF even showed the captured Palestinian GoPro video to news organizations, the horrible proof that they raped innocent women and burned babies alive, lest it ever be forgotten. The same as was said when they filmed the WW2 holocausts death camps. And as history is repeating itself, you are willing to look away. Worse, you are so mentally crippled by conspiracy theories that you don't even believe monsters are real...

Well put, BamBam, and you cut right to the chase when you brought up mental illness. Reading their posts is like watching someone lose their mind in real time.
You can be sure if you’re discussing Israel-Palestine and someone counters with Putin and the Congo, you’re dealing with nut cases. Nut cases with an anti semitic streak in this instance.
 
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Well put, BamBam, and you cut right to the chase when you brought up mental illness. Reading their posts is like watching someone lose their mind in real time.
You can be sure if you’re discussing Israel-Palestine and someone counters with Putin and the Congo, you’re dealing with nut cases. Nut cases with an anti semitic streak in this instance.
I think the quantity of posts is designed to distract from the inaccuracy... and when the claims are shown to be inaccurate, it often becomes a different argument about some other country, or it was just posting a story but never really believing it, or never mentioning the clear rebuttal as if it never happened, or a friend of a friend (that can't ever be verified) from that country swears it happened, etc.

Like that phony video clip pretending Israel was building a canal through Gaza.... as if that explained the Gaza war, and not their own vicious attacks.
 
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Well put, BamBam, and you cut right to the chase when you brought up mental illness. Reading their posts is like watching someone lose their mind in real time.
You can be sure if you’re discussing Israel-Palestine and someone counters with Putin and the Congo, you’re dealing with nut cases. Nut cases with an anti semitic streak in this instance.
Hating a government doesn’t make one anti-Semitic or racist, that’s garbage spewed from the very government that is being criticized to deflect and divert the attention from them.
 
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You can be sure if you’re discussing Israel-Palestine and someone counters with Putin and the Congo, you’re dealing with nut cases. Nut cases with an anti semitic streak in this instance.
Wonder why ongoing genocide in Congo doesn’t matter? Is it because one race matters more than the other?

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When did you ever ask me why I never served? Guess I missed that- You say it's because I lack commitment and understanding- It's because I had good grades and received a partial scholarship- once in school I worked 3 jobs and paid to get a degree in Finance. I wanted to be a Wall Street broker. It had nothing to do with commitment. That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I'm a Patriot and respect everyone that's ever been in the military. No sure WTF you are talking about. It's our gov'ts misuse of the military that I don't approve of. Now here is where you show just how ignorant or stupid you are: How do we know the Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes to slaughter innocent Israelis?? They F'ing filmed it you dummy, and we have the gopro footage recovered from their dead soldiers. I never denied any of that or thought that was some kind of conspiracy- Again- WTF are you talking about? I said fk both sides!! You ignore the fact that the IDF has killed even more innocent civilians. All you scream about is October 7th- you don't care about anything else as you said. You no longer want a 2 state solution as you admitted. So you just want Israel to kill every one in Palestine if that is what it takes. Got it!! You sir are are fking moron! 2 wrongs makes a right in your playbook!

I never said traveling/air miles made me more intelligent or understanding. I worked side by side with......Libyans, Egyptians, Iranians, and back in the day a bunch of old school Russians that lived through the Communist CCCP and actually liked those days better than the "new" Capitalistic society of Russia! The conversations I had with those men were truly eye opening. You don't have a fking clue!! You are blind sided by October 7th!!!

So you agree with spending hundreds of billions of our dollars for Israel, Ukraine, Iraq, and whatever country our corrupt gov't calls our Allies!! They love dumb bastards like you!! You ignore the Iron Dome that somehow failed to catch the hundreds/thousands of rockets that landed in Israel on Oct. 7th.

I never said the towers were demo'd- however if you believe the story the gov't gave us then you are a fool and everyone is laughing at you for believing it- It was allowed to happen so we could go to war for our precious resource control!! Oil since you don't have a clue. You never mentioned Libya? Cat got your tongue on that one?

I never paid much attention to the other PM's of Israel. I'm more worried about our country- just as you should be! However, Ben. N has made America his bitch, and you don't seem to understand why. Now they are trying to pass laws where you can't criticize Jews/Israel? I bet you support losing our First Amendment rights!!

So what crazy conspiracy do I believe in again? Flat earth- nope, bigfoot-nope, fake moon landing- not really but I believe it would be possible.

What position have I not fully commited to? Fk Hamas and the Israeli gov't. That's my position 100%

Fk. giving billions to Israel and Ukraine! That's my position 100%

I'm a Patriot and love my country. All my family and friends know that. You don't have to be a former soldier to be a Patriot. I'd argue many former soldiers hate their country now. I put my money where my mouth is- I've hosted Side x Side rides on my property raising money for Wheelchairs for Warriors. You should tread carefully if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Tuna - If you wanted to serve in the military, you could have. We take guys with good grades too, that is not an excuse (I had the highest ASVAB score at my recruiting depot). You could have worked 3 jobs before or after your military service. Not an excuse. You could have gotten your Finance degree and then gone in as an officer. Also, not an excuse. Commitment is signing on the dotted line. You wanted to be a Wall Street broker. Did you become one???

You said you never denied Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes?? You posted this - "Again- do just a small amount of research- you think a bunch of cavemen from Palestine could parachute over, and all of the sudden launch thousands of rockets undetected? Have you ever heard of the Iron Dome?"

So then what DID you mean about cavemen and parachutes? And BTW - the thousands of rockets and missiles launched by Palestinians that day WERE detected. And documented. And most were shot down by the Iron Dome. You seem to be very confused. The sentient point being that Palestinians tried to mass murder Israeli civilians far worse than the Israeli response you are crying about now. It was the Palestinians who attacked on Oct 7th. There was no bombing in Gaza on Oct 6th.

They are not both equally to blame. If the people of Gaza don't want to be bombed, stop shooting rockets and missiles into Israel, return the hostages (including Americans, Mr. Tuna Patriot), and replace the Hamas government (since they declared their intent to kill every Jew, and conduct new Oct 7th attacks every day, every week, every month). I gave you that video proof in their own words, and you had no comment. Why?

Its moronic to think this is a case about "two wrongs don't make a right". If Gaza didn't launch attacks into Israel there would be no war and they could live side by side in peace. Prior to Oct 7th, Israel had accepted a two state solution, but Hamas wants only ONE state, where they kill every Jew and own it all. If only one can survive, I know who I support. But just know if you play dumb and ignore the problem, they have America just below Israel on their hate/kill list.

You said - "You ignore the Iron Dome that somehow failed to catch the hundreds/thousands of rockets that landed in Israel on Oct. 7th." Again, either inarticulate or confused. The Iron Dome did stop 90+% of the incoming rockets/missiles. I am pissed that they were launched in the first place, and one day they might get through! The Iron Dome (and similar systems) also stopped over 90% of the 350 drones, rockets, and missiles IRAN recently shot into Israel. Are you OK with that too? Both equally to blame? Two wrongs don't make a right? Any other cute slogans to dodge the real problem? Is Patriotic TunaKing also OK with Iran who killed over 600 Americans with IED's in Iraq? Israel's enemies happen to be our enemies. Their success in defeating them is our success. Unless you are being misled by conspiracy theories (intentionally by the way) to a position of doubting everything and doing nothing.

As for Gadaffi (a bizarre distraction and tangent, but OK).... he was responsible for the terror bombing of Pan Am flight 103 (the Lockerbie bombing). And for the bombing of a West Berlin nightclub. I was in the Marines when Reagan went after him, bombing every place he ever slept with F-111 bombers. Gadaffi also sent a few ships to challenge our a carrier group, claiming 60+ miles off the coast as his line of death. So we blew the **** out of them too. F'em. HOWEVER, we made our point and Gadaffi changed his behavior. He even turned over his illicit nuclear weapons program to the US. He should never have been killed. But that is on Obama and Hillary. F'them too.

I worry about my posts being too long and your reading ability / attention span - so let me get back to the important point....

You said - "So what crazy conspiracy do I believe in again? Flat earth- nope, bigfoot-nope, fake moon landing- not really but I believe it would be possible. What position have I not fully commited to?"
How about the fake moon landing claim. When you say 'not really but believe it would be possible'.... THAT qualified dodge is the definition of "not fully committed". Duh. We landed on the moon. Multiple times. There is irrefutable proof. And I stand by my statement that if you don't believe this clear obvious truth 100% then yes, you are an idiot. No different from the flat earthers and bigfoot kooks.

And don't think I didn't notice that you carefully dodged the other conspiracy examples in my original post. LOL. You never said the towers were demo'ed??? You also never said they weren't!! And then you made some reference to believing something other than the government's version, but didn't exactly lay it out. Part of the trick of pretending you don't fall for conspiracies, is to never detail the conspiracy theory enough to be proven wrong! So what do you actually believe??

And what about the conspiracy theory claiming a missile hit the pentagon, and not the plane?? Are you fully committed one way or the other on that?? Do you think no one notices when you hide the conspiracy theories you believe and only list the ones that you don't? LOL

How about your recent scam conspiracy video post claiming the war in Gaza was happening to create a giant new canal?? I posted a rebuttal and poof, crickets. Do you really believe a goofy idea in 1960 that went nowhere, is now the reason for the Gaza war 60 years later??

I think I can also go back into the thread archives and find other conspiracy theories you fell for... stuff about loyal US troops taking Biden traitors to Gitmo, maybe special forces raiding some server in Germany (and something about the pope), bioweapons labs in Ukraine, etc.

But I'll spare us all the journey down memory lane and try to stay focused on the current nonsense you are pushing..... before ax1 smothers us with another barrage of random thoughts and memes. If you believe this conspiracy bullsh1t, have the balls to state your case clearly with the courage of conviction, and just be willing to have your intelligence and reasoning skills judged accordingly...
 
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Well put, BamBam, and you cut right to the chase when you brought up mental illness. Reading their posts is like watching someone lose their mind in real time.
You can be sure if you’re discussing Israel-Palestine and someone counters with Putin and the Congo, you’re dealing with nut cases. Nut cases with an anti semitic streak in this instance.
LMFAO yeah we on andro forums having mental breakdown over Brittney, Genocide Joe and politics of the funding Republic of Molossia’s overinflated navy budget with our tax dollars. Life is hard. RRRRIOOFFFLLLLL Gettoudahere!

 
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I posted a rebuttal and poof,Do you really believe a goofy idea in 1960 t before ax1 smothers us with another barrage of random thoughts and memes. If you believe this conspiracy bullsh1t, have the balls to state your case clearly with the courage of conviction, and just be willing to have your intelligence and reasoning skills judged accordingly...

I was about to post a really good creative meme to counter your post, but do you have any idea how hard it was to edit-cut your post off on my phone while out shopping with my wife?

Alright fine, you still deserve it for all your efforts on here and speaking of “balls.”

 

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Tuna - If you wanted to serve in the military, you could have. We take guys with good grades too, that is not an excuse (I had the highest ASVAB score at my recruiting depot). You could have worked 3 jobs before or after your military service. Not an excuse. You could have gotten your Finance degree and then gone in as an officer. Also, not an excuse. Commitment is signing on the dotted line. You wanted to be a Wall Street broker. Did you become one???

You said you never denied Palestinians flew over in motorized parachutes?? You posted this - "Again- do just a small amount of research- you think a bunch of cavemen from Palestine could parachute over, and all of the sudden launch thousands of rockets undetected? Have you ever heard of the Iron Dome?"

So then what DID you mean about cavemen and parachutes? And BTW - the thousands of rockets and missiles launched by Palestinians that day WERE detected. And documented. And most were shot down by the Iron Dome. You seem to be very confused. The sentient point being that Palestinians tried to mass murder Israeli civilians far worse than the Israeli response you are crying about now. It was the Palestinians who attacked on Oct 7th. There was no bombing in Gaza on Oct 6th.

They are not both equally to blame. If the people of Gaza don't want to be bombed, stop shooting rockets and missiles into Israel, return the hostages (including Americans, Mr. Tuna Patriot), and replace the Hamas government (since they declared their intent to kill every Jew, and conduct new Oct 7th attacks every day, every week, every month). I gave you that video proof in their own words, and you had no comment. Why?

Its moronic to think this is a case about "two wrongs don't make a right". If Gaza didn't launch attacks into Israel there would be no war and they could live side by side in peace. Prior to Oct 7th, Israel had accepted a two state solution, but Hamas wants only ONE state, where they kill every Jew and own it all. If only one can survive, I know who I support. But just know if you play dumb and ignore the problem, they have America just below Israel on their hate/kill list.

You said - "You ignore the Iron Dome that somehow failed to catch the hundreds/thousands of rockets that landed in Israel on Oct. 7th." Again, either inarticulate or confused. The Iron Dome did stop 90+% of the incoming rockets/missiles. I am pissed that they were launched in the first place, and one day they might get through! The Iron Dome (and similar systems) also stopped over 90% of the 350 drones, rockets, and missiles IRAN recently shot into Israel. Are you OK with that too? Both equally to blame? Two wrongs don't make a right? Any other cute slogans to dodge the real problem? Is Patriotic TunaKing also OK with Iran who killed over 600 Americans with IED's in Iraq? Israel's enemies happen to be our enemies. Their success in defeating them is our success. Unless you are being misled by conspiracy theories (intentionally by the way) to a position of doubting everything and doing nothing.

As for Gadaffi (a bizarre distraction and tangent, but OK).... he was responsible for the terror bombing of Pan Am flight 103 (the Lockerbie bombing). And for the bombing of a West Berlin nightclub. I was in the Marines when Reagan went after him, bombing every place he ever slept with F-111 bombers. Gadaffi also sent a few ships to challenge our a carrier group, claiming 60+ miles off the coast as his line of death. So we blew the **** out of them too. F'em. HOWEVER, we made our point and Gadaffi changed his behavior. He even turned over his illicit nuclear weapons program to the US. He should never have been killed. But that is on Obama and Hillary. F'them too.

I worry about my posts being too long and your reading ability / attention span - so let me get back to the important point....

You said - "So what crazy conspiracy do I believe in again? Flat earth- nope, bigfoot-nope, fake moon landing- not really but I believe it would be possible. What position have I not fully commited to?"
How about the fake moon landing claim. When you say 'not really but believe it would be possible'.... THAT qualified dodge is the definition of "not fully committed". Duh. We landed on the moon. Multiple times. There is irrefutable proof. And I stand by my statement that if you don't believe this clear obvious truth 100% then yes, you are an idiot. No different from the flat earthers and bigfoot kooks.

And don't think I didn't notice that you carefully dodged the other conspiracy examples in my original post. LOL. You never said the towers were demo'ed??? You also never said they weren't!! And then you made some reference to believing something other than the government's version, but didn't exactly lay it out. Part of the trick of pretending you don't fall for conspiracies, is to never detail the conspiracy theory enough to be proven wrong! So what do you actually believe??

And what about the conspiracy theory claiming a missile hit the pentagon, and not the plane?? Are you fully committed one way or the other on that?? Do you think no one notices when you hide the conspiracy theories you believe and only list the ones that you don't? LOL

How about your recent scam conspiracy video post claiming the war in Gaza was happening to create a giant new canal?? I posted a rebuttal and poof, crickets. Do you really believe a goofy idea in 1960 that went nowhere, is now the reason for the Gaza war 60 years later??

In Jerusalem, the "red heifer" worries religious and political leaders - Catholic news – La Croix International (la-croix.com)

But I'll spare us all the journey down memory lane and try to stay focused on the current nonsense you are pushing..... before ax1 smothers us with another barrage of random thoughts and memes. If you believe this conspiracy bullsh1t, have the balls to state your case clearly with the courage of conviction, and just be willing to have your intelligence and reasoning skills judged accordingly...

Again- reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. Moon landing- yes we went there. Do I believe every story and photograph they presented is authentic? Hell no- that isn't flip flopping anything- that is my opinion- I don't believe our gov'ts version of events on 9/11! The fact that I think it is possible is a conspiracy? Nobody has 100% proof one way or the other so how are people idiots if they believe it? How is that some kind of conspiracy? You are ignorant to think if one doesn't believe your gov't 100% then you believe in conspiracies. I never said Israel's plan to build a canal was THE cause for the war. It's something that is still being considered and I heard as much when I visited Israel years ago (yes I've been there several times and loved the country- I am no anti-semite as you keep trying make me out to be) Do a little research on the Leviathan oil and gas field- massive amounts of oil and gas reserves. It would not be a stretch (although seemingly unpractical in the 1960's- a canal could work and would be a marvel of engineering. And do a little research on the whole Red Heifer sacrifice- this could be a cause for escalated tensions as well.

In Jerusalem, the "red heifer" worries religious and political leaders - Catholic news – La Croix International (la-croix.com)

You seem to think that people doing research trying to "find" the truth is a conspiracy. So in your world whatever your gov't overlords tell you is the truth and you should not question it. Typical low IQ grunt type attitude. I bet you were a good little soldier boy. I've always supported our troops and thought positively about them. I'll make the exception with you- not that it matters to you. Your attitude is you are better than me since you served. WTF kind of reasoning is that? Yes I could have served if I wanted to. It never really crossed my mind. I was focusing on getting my degree and I accomplished that task. I ended up working for a Financial Institution but never made to "Wall Street". I was young and dumb and didn't know what I wanted to do. Ended up offshore and never looked back as I make good money and get 6 months vacation a year and I've traveled the world and talked and experienced working with many different people. I wouldn't change a thing. I committed to working and making money. You committed to being a soldier. One isn't better than the other so drop your fking condescending attitude. Are you still a soldier or did you commit to something else?

If you can find anything where I supported any kind of crap like you said - "I think I can also go back into the thread archives and find other conspiracy theories you fell for... stuff about loyal US troops taking Biden traitors to Gitmo, maybe special forces raiding some server in Germany (and something about the pope), bioweapons labs in Ukraine, etc. " I'll Paypal you $100 if you find anything anywhere. Although I probably mentioned something about biolabs in the Ukraine. That is 100% fact. If they are truly "bio labs" working on pathogens and nothing nefarious remains to be seen and nobody knows for sure.

Since you love your gov't and hate conspiracies so much I guess you believe tainted bat meat caused Covid-19. You believe mRNA vaccines are just lovely and do no harm. You probably loved the lockdowns and mandating of people having to get the jab. You don't think our gov't blew up the Nordstream pipeline even though Biden pretty much admitted we would on tv. You believe the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation as well. You don't believe in Operation Northwoods, Operation Sea Spray, you don't believe our gov't (the dept. of Treasury) poisoned alcohol during Prohibition killing a bunch of people, you don't believe in the Tuskegee experiment, you don't believe in the Gulf of Tonkin incident where our gov't has admitted that the second incident may have involved "false" radar readings, you don't believe in MK Ultra where the gov't experimented with LSD on citizens, You don't believe our gov't sold weapons to Iran in violation of an embargo, then used the money to support Nicaraguan militants, and you probably don't believe this about your gov't overlords:

More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.
From 1954 to 1961, simian virus 40 (SV40) somehow showed up in polio vaccines, according to the American Journal of Cancer. Researchers estimate 98 million people in the US, and even more worldwide, received contaminated inoculations.

Jonas Salk, creator of the inactivated-polio vaccine, used cells from rhesus monkeys infected with SV40, according to president of the National Vaccine Information Center Barbara Fisher, who testified before the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness in the US House of Representatives on this matter in 2003, after researching the situation for 10 years.
 
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Again reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I say screw Israel and Hamas/Palestine. You support Israel because the U.S. gov't say you have to. You have given no other reason. Good little soldier..............................
 
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Again- reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. Moon landing- yes we went there. Do I believe every story and photograph they presented is authentic? Hell no- that isn't flip flopping anything- that is my opinion- I don't believe our gov'ts version of events on 9/11! The fact that I think it is possible is a conspiracy? Nobody has 100% proof one way or the other so how are people idiots if they believe it? How is that some kind of conspiracy? You are ignorant to think if one doesn't believe your gov't 100% then you believe in conspiracies. I never said Israel's plan to build a canal was THE cause for the war. It's something that is still being considered and I heard as much when I visited Israel years ago (yes I've been there several times and loved the country- I am no anti-semite as you keep trying make me out to be) Do a little research on the Leviathan oil and gas field- massive amounts of oil and gas reserves. It would not be a stretch (although seemingly unpractical in the 1960's- a canal could work and would be a marvel of engineering. And do a little research on the whole Red Heifer sacrifice- this could be a cause for escalated tensions as well.

In Jerusalem, the "red heifer" worries religious and political leaders - Catholic news – La Croix International (la-croix.com)

You seem to think that people doing research trying to "find" the truth is a conspiracy. So in your world whatever your gov't overlords tell you is the truth and you should not question it. Typical low IQ grunt type attitude. I bet you were a good little soldier boy. I've always supported our troops and thought positively about them. I'll make the exception with you- not that it matters to you. Your attitude is you are better than me since you served. WTF kind of reasoning is that? Yes I could have served if I wanted to. It never really crossed my mind. I was focusing on getting my degree and I accomplished that task. I ended up working for a Financial Institution but never made to "Wall Street". I was young and dumb and didn't know what I wanted to do. Ended up offshore and never looked back as I make good money and get 6 months vacation a year and I've traveled the world and talked and experienced working with many different people. I wouldn't change a thing. I committed to working and making money. You committed to being a soldier. One isn't better than the other so drop your fking condescending attitude. Are you still a soldier or did you commit to something else?

If you can find anything where I supported any kind of crap like you said - "I think I can also go back into the thread archives and find other conspiracy theories you fell for... stuff about loyal US troops taking Biden traitors to Gitmo, maybe special forces raiding some server in Germany (and something about the pope), bioweapons labs in Ukraine, etc. " I'll Paypal you $100 if you find anything anywhere. Although I probably mentioned something about biolabs in the Ukraine. That is 100% fact. If they are truly "bio labs" working on pathogens and nothing nefarious remains to be seen and nobody knows for sure.

Since you love your gov't and hate conspiracies so much I guess you believe tainted bat meat caused Covid-19. You believe mRNA vaccines are just lovely and do no harm. You probably loved the lockdowns and mandating of people having to get the jab. You don't think our gov't blew up the Nordstream pipeline even though Biden pretty much admitted we would on tv. You believe the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation as well. You don't believe in Operation Northwoods, Operation Sea Spray, you don't believe our gov't (the dept. of Treasury) poisoned alcohol during Prohibition killing a bunch of people, you don't believe in the Tuskegee experiment, you don't believe in the Gulf of Tonkin incident where our gov't has admitted that the second incident may have involved "false" radar readings, you don't believe in MK Ultra where the gov't experimented with LSD on citizens, You don't believe our gov't sold weapons to Iran in violation of an embargo, then used the money to support Nicaraguan militants, and you probably don't believe this about your gov't overlords:

More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus.
From 1954 to 1961, simian virus 40 (SV40) somehow showed up in polio vaccines, according to the American Journal of Cancer. Researchers estimate 98 million people in the US, and even more worldwide, received contaminated inoculations.

Jonas Salk, creator of the inactivated-polio vaccine, used cells from rhesus monkeys infected with SV40, according to president of the National Vaccine Information Center Barbara Fisher, who testified before the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness in the US House of Representatives on this matter in 2003, after researching the situation for 10 years.
Man, that's a lot of words to say you are a crackpot who believes crazy conspiracy theories like a missile instead of a plane, hit the Pentagon on 9/11. The one that you think no one notices you never answer. Because deep down you know it makes you look stupid.

The rest is the typical mix of truths, half truths, distorted truths, and full bat-**** crazy conspiracy theories to promote other conspiracy theories to keep the loop alive. For dumb people to pretend they did 'independent research' to discover truths that smart people don't know. After a life of smart people talking down to them, they imagine they are finally smarter on something/anything. Conspiracy theories become this psychological crutch.

It's an illness that causes you to watch 1-1/2 hour conspiracy videos made by other conspiracy nuts. HOW MANY of these videos have you watched?!?!!? How many hundreds of hours wasted? Don't you have a wife and kids that need your time and attention?
 
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It's an illness that causes you to watch 1-1/2 hour conspiracy videos made by other conspiracy nuts. HOW MANY of these videos have you watched?!?!!? How many hundreds of hours wasted? Don't you have a wife and kids that need your time and attention?
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Since you love your gov't and hate conspiracies so much I guess you believe tainted bat meat caused Covid-19. You believe mRNA vaccines are just lovely and do no harm. You probably loved the lockdowns and mandating of people having to get the jab. You don't think our gov't blew up the Nordstream pipeline even though Biden pretty much admitted we would on tv. You believe the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation as well. You don't believe in Operation Northwoods, Operation Sea Spray, you don't believe our gov't (the dept. of Treasury) poisoned alcohol during Prohibition killing a bunch of people, you don't believe in the Tuskegee experiment, you don't believe in the Gulf of Tonkin incident where our gov't has admitted that the second incident may have involved "false" radar readings, you don't believe in MK Ultra where the gov't experimented with LSD on citizens, You don't believe our gov't sold weapons to Iran in violation of an embargo, then used the money to support Nicaraguan militants, and you probably don't believe this about your gov't overlords:
Oh wow, cant believe you forgot to mention Operation Gladio over in Europe, that would make someone else in here squirm.

 
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Libtards to anyone else who questions them-disagree and be like "you a racist!"

Conservatards to anyone that questions them- disagree and be like "you have mental disease!"

They really are clones of each other, no wonder why they keep voting in the same pile of trash who barely have any meaningful policy differences and turn the planet into a big pile of filth.

 

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Man, that's a lot of words to say you are a crackpot who believes crazy conspiracy theories like a missile instead of a plane, hit the Pentagon on 9/11. The one that you think no one notices you never answer. Because deep down you know it makes you look stupid.

The rest is the typical mix of truths, half truths, distorted truths, and full bat-**** crazy conspiracy theories to promote other conspiracy theories to keep the loop alive. For dumb people to pretend they did 'independent research' to discover truths that smart people don't know. After a life of smart people talking down to them, they imagine they are finally smarter on something/anything. Conspiracy theories become this psychological crutch.

It's an illness that causes you to watch 1-1/2 hour conspiracy videos made by other conspiracy nuts. HOW MANY of these videos have you watched?!?!!? How many hundreds of hours wasted? Don't you have a wife and kids that need your time and attention?
Funny- if you actually watched the video it lays out nothing but facts. The conclusions are left up to the viewer. Tells me you don't have a clue yourself. What do you think about the President of Ukraine making a known witch/spirit cooker into some kind of Ambassador to Education in Ukraine? That is a FACT! NOT a conspiracy- but you don't care and just choose to look the other way. People on here know you are a joke and can't think for yourself. Probably why you went into the military. Way to deflect from all the facts shown to you.....typical brain washed sheep who seems to believe everything the TV tells him. And for fk's sake, I will answer your question although you'll cry about how I'm not "committed" one way or the other.

Do I think a missile hit the Pentagon? No I actually don't I think a plane hit the Pentagon but it sure as hell wasn't a Being 757 like they said. If it was they would have video of it (not one video exists that shows the plane hit the Pentagon)- I believe it was a smaller plane than a 757 with no markings, thus the lack of any video. Funny how the FBI confiscated every known video in existence. Funny how there was so little wreckage found- a 757 would have caused a much bigger mess. I could show you videos proving that point but you would just say it's some crazy conspiracy video. Did you ever ask yourself why? Of course you didn't- you just accepted that Osama Bin Laden set everything in motion from a cave somewhere in Afghanistan. You are a clueless shill. Funny how a reporter could find him easily but our most advanced military in the world could not. FACT

It's useless arguing with a war monger like you. Fk Hamas, Israel, Ukraine and you.
 
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Major General Albert Stubblebine - No Plane Hit the Pentagon

"Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.

Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1952 and subsequently received an M.S. in chemical engineering from Columbia University in 1961.

Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.

Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4

Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?""

 
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No Stand-Down Order
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No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."
FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.


The idea that Air Traffic Control had to "pick up the phone and literally dial" NORAD -- a routine procedure in handling unresponsive aircraft -- does not begin to explain the long gaps between ATC being aware of off-course and non-responsive jetliners and NORAD acting. Standard procedure was for ATC to notify NORAD if they were unable to contact such an aircraft within three minutes.

Here PM's "FACT" is taken directly from the 9/11 Commission Report, which changed the official timeline for at least the third time. Two important omissions here are:
  • The June 1st order which centralized intercept authority in the Secretary of Defense.
  • Multiple war games scheduled for the day of 9/11/01, at least one involving a plane-into-building scenario.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.


When the jetliners' transponders were switched off, their blips on the ATC screens lost their identifying data, and would stand out against the remaining blips, which were labeled.

The idea that NORAD had no radar coverage of much of North America comes from that best-selling work of fiction, The 9/11 Commission Report. Evaluate this assertion in light of this description of NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain's Operations Center, as it was on 9/11/01.

Testimony of Secretary of Transportation Mineta which was completely left out of the 9/11 Commission Report where he was in the Bunker with Cheney and they were getting consistent updates that something was heading their way and Cheney called what appeared to be a stand down order.

 
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LMFAO Sheep believe 4 indestructible black boxes all were vaporized on 9-11 yet some how one of the hijackers passports flew out of his pocket through the firebomb as it was flying into the WTC and landed on the rubble in fairly good shape.

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