Tuna - I am glad to hear you are a family man! I ask because some of the people I have argued with in the past (like bigfoot fanatics) live alone, fully immersed in their "research". A family provides an important anchor to reality. To share equally, I am also a family man. In the Marines I was going to be a 'lifer' and got a slot to the Naval Academy... but broke a femur. So the military paid for a trip to Penn State instead, and I got a degree in Architectural Engineering. (*I started off in nuclear engineering, but Chernobyl melted down in my freshman year and I figured it might be best to change majors. LOL). The change in life direction allowed me to meet my wife, and it all worked out for the best.
Doubting the official narrative does not make you a conspiracy nut.
Choosing to believe something even more ridiculous does! That is why I use the Pentagon story as a good measure of intellect and reason. We KNOW there were hijacked planes that crashed into buildings on 9/11. Its not that hard to believe one crashed into the Pentagon. There is a video showing it, and there are 757 plane parts in the wreckage. If you want to imagine something else hit the pentagon... but you don't know what else, or where it came from, or have any video or wreckage to verify this 'other' idea, and NOT even a made up story to pretend where the Flight 77 went instead... that would be silly and dumb. And pretty lazy "research" from guys who pretend to do independent research.
If the conspiracy world were graded 1 to 10, I am maybe at a 2. Joe Rogan a 4. You maybe a 6/7. Ax1 and Alex Jones fighting for top spot in kooky-ville. Again, its fine to doubt the official narrative. But unless you can at least present a better idea that
makes more sense, you are selling bullsh1t and chasing dreams into fantasy land. Joe Rogan is a pretty good barometer for interested/interesting dialogue on the subject.
For Desert Storm, you would have to go back to when it all happened. How can you say there was no WMD? Because we stormed in and searched every inch, that's why! But you can't hate the war using evidence that only the war provided. On 9/12 we had real concerns about the next/bigger attack. We sent the fleet to the coast of Iraq. We told Saddam to show us his hands. He refused. He played games. He dodged and delayed. He used civilians as shields on select military sites. We said we were not f'ing around and to allow UN inspections or die. He made a bad choice. Honestly, I think even Saddam believed he had WMD. He sure acted like it. And the way he tortured and killed his people, I think his own scientists lied and led him to believe he was making real progress on a WMD program (rather than be killed). In hindsight, the war wasn't as bad as the botched occupation.... but if Saddam was willing to put up billboards mocking the 9/11 attack, F'-him too.
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I think I fully covered the killing of Gaddafi in a prior post. You want to believe a conspiracy that it was for some balance of power in the energy sector. But you didn't mention the two terror attacks he directed, which is pretty lazy research into 'the whole story'. A pretty important bit of information to overlook!! Gaddafi has been dead now for what, 13 years??? And right now, Libya looks like a lawless wasteland without any functional government, so then HOW did killing him help the US gov't? Hard to paint a conspiracy without any benefit for 13 years. Maybe it was just sh1tty politics and incompetency. I tend to believe much more of the latter.
The rich and powerful and celebrities being druggies and perverts and pedophiles?? Color me shocked. LOL. There are also perverts and pedophiles and druggies in every business in every country in every walk of life. They just don't get the same media coverage. Do I think they had Epstein killed? Yeah, I actually do. But at best, the big conspiracy is covering up the list of names to prevent exposure and prosecution of the rich and powerful. I don't make the huge leap into blood sucking adrenochome stuff without a lot more proof than a home-made rumble video. Interesting article on that Qanon conspiracy theory here....
“There’s only one source for this stuff, the adrenalin glands from a living human body.” That bit of misinformation found in Hunter. S Thompson’s 1971 psychedelic classic, “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas,” likely planted the seed that grew into one of the most outlandish and repugnant of all...
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The conspiracy theories I would believe in are much smaller and more practical/government power and secrecy stuff. Like I don't believe the 9/11 hijackers only had box cutters. I think at least one Haji slipped a gun through the checkpoint. It used to happen all the time before 9/11. There was an original FAA report that indicated a shooting on the plane, that was later changed to only box-cutters (likely to prevent anyone from suing the Airlines out of business). And then after the attack, GWBush signed the "Airline Stabilization Act" to protect the airlines from any liability related to 9/11.
Remember the shoe bomber, Richard Reid they stopped in the act with exploding shoes in December 2001? We also had a crash of AA Flight 587 a month prior in November 2001 (the second worst accident in US aviation history). Both sooooo close to the 9/11 attack. The official story is that the pilot worked the rudder too hard and the vertical stabilizer fell off the plane. That sounds kind of crazy to me. I always thought maybe Richard Reid wasn't the first shoe bomber. Maybe Flight 587 was the first and THAT one was successful? Hard to say and we may never know, but its a thought.
TWA flight 800 in New York crashed in 1996 and there were all sorts of conspiracy theories about a missile. One witness was a Vietnam helicopter pilot who said he had lots of experience seeing AA missiles in flight and called it as that. I could image a stinger slipped out of the original Russian/Afghan war and then being used against us. That would be my guess. But I could also see the government covering that up because the object of terrorism is to cause terror. Deny it happened and defeat the terrorists, in theory. I'd rather they treat us like adults and tell us the truth, and then fight the terrorists if that is the problem.
Either way, I lean towards pretty simple conspiracy theory stuff. Our government is too inept to pull off any big masterful super complex stuff. Other than maybe covering up the JFK assassination (which was pretty Ham-handed) and what they really know about UFO's.... which is the next big shoe to drop (I hope !!!!)
