Advice on Most Bang for Buck / Libido Enhancers

[midagebutgoing]

Appreciate any tips:

-Trying to avoid taking 100 different supplements.

-Mid 40's Male.

-Dailies are Zinc, Magnesium, C, D, Curcumin, Resveratrol, Fish Oils etc. basics all covered

-Sleep is fine, workouts are fine, diet is fine

-If I had to take 1 or 2 things -
Tongkat Ali?
KSM66?
Fenugreek?
DAA?
Boron?
Mucuna?

-Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there don't work.

Appreciate the responses!

 

[baldwanus]

You could get just about everything on your list in 1 product by taking CEL M-Test.

https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/31299/competitive-edge-labs-m-test-180-cap.htm

Twin packs are back in stock on DPS, pretty solid deal.

 

[BigGame84]

CEL M-Test and/or SNS Optimize-T

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Maca and Black Ginger are you're go to for libido. I've never notice much from Maca despite its strong reputation, but I do enjoy the Black Ginger. EDIT: Reread that you can't take maca.

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Erection quality is a whole world of its own if that is an issue.

 

[LeanEngineer]

CEL M-Test and/or SNS Optimize-T

Agreed with this! We carry both products at Strong Supplement Shop as well.

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[panico.pt]

Appreciate any tips:

-Trying to avoid taking 100 different supplements.

-Mid 40's Male.

-Dailies are Zinc, Magnesium, C, D, Curcumin, Resveratrol, Fish Oils etc. basics all covered

-Sleep is fine, workouts are fine, diet is fine

-If I had to take 1 or 2 things -
Tongkat Ali?
KSM66?
Fenugreek?
DAA?
Boron?
Mucuna?

-Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there don't work.

Appreciate the responses!

Among those listed I say tongkat ali and or KSM66.

 

[midagebutgoing]

Thanks to all.

@LeanEngineer @baldwan In regards to your M-Test and Optimize-T, any tips on below:

Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there may not work for me.

M-Test- Fadogia, Mucuna, Shilaji, Tongkat, Divana, Boron
Optimize - Fenugreek, Spilanthes, F7, etc.

Either of these have anything you'd recommend staying away from due to potential skin breakouts?

 

[Robert5891]

Appreciate any tips:

-Trying to avoid taking 100 different supplements.

-Mid 40's Male.

-Dailies are Zinc, Magnesium, C, D, Curcumin, Resveratrol, Fish Oils etc. basics all covered

-Sleep is fine, workouts are fine, diet is fine

-If I had to take 1 or 2 things -
Tongkat Ali?
KSM66?
Fenugreek?
DAA?
Boron?
Mucuna?

-Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there don't work.

Appreciate the responses!

Marry a woman that you are attracted to, enjoy a relationship with, and resonate with at a deeper level. Additionally, get enough sleep, eat a healthy diet, and manage stress levels.

"Libido" supplements are a panacea for underlying issues.

 

[baldwanus]

Thanks to all.

@LeanEngineer @baldwan In regards to your M-Test and Optimize-T, any tips on below:

Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there may not work for me.

M-Test- Fadogia, Mucuna, Shilaji, Tongkat, Divana, Boron
Optimize - Fenugreek, Spilanthes, F7, etc.

Either of these have anything you'd recommend staying away from due to potential skin breakouts?

The S7 is Optimize-T I guess could potentially be a problem for you, so M-Test might be the better option.

 

[cruze1911r1]

Thanks to all.

@LeanEngineer @baldwan In regards to your M-Test and Optimize-T, any tips on below:

Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there may not work for me.

M-Test- Fadogia, Mucuna, Shilaji, Tongkat, Divana, Boron
Optimize - Fenugreek, Spilanthes, F7, etc.

Either of these have anything you'd recommend staying away from due to potential skin breakouts?

I used mtest for a few months and didn't have skin issues. I felt great on the stuff.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Thanks to all.

@LeanEngineer @baldwan In regards to your M-Test and Optimize-T, any tips on below:

Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there may not work for me.

M-Test- Fadogia, Mucuna, Shilaji, Tongkat, Divana, Boron
Optimize - Fenugreek, Spilanthes, F7, etc.

Either of these have anything you'd recommend staying away from due to potential skin breakouts?

I've used both together with no issues. You could try M-Test first and then follow with an M-Test and Optimize-T stack if needed.

 

[madmuscle24]

Furosap xt works better than any you listed IME.

 

[hercules_22]

Appreciate any tips:

-Trying to avoid taking 100 different supplements.

-Mid 40's Male.

-Dailies are Zinc, Magnesium, C, D, Curcumin, Resveratrol, Fish Oils etc. basics all covered

-Sleep is fine, workouts are fine, diet is fine

-If I had to take 1 or 2 things -
Tongkat Ali?
KSM66?
Fenugreek?
DAA?
Boron?
Mucuna?

-Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there don't work.

Appreciate the responses!

Pt 141

 

[ironkill]

anything backed by paperwork

 

[slimsaw00]

I thoroughly enjoyed Optimize T!

 

[sns8778]

Thanks to all.

@LeanEngineer @baldwan In regards to your M-Test and Optimize-T, any tips on below:

Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?) I noticed that when I took anything with Maca or Creatine that would happen which was annoying so some of the blends out there may not work for me.

M-Test- Fadogia, Mucuna, Shilaji, Tongkat, Divana, Boron
Optimize - Fenugreek, Spilanthes, F7, etc.

Either of these have anything you'd recommend staying away from due to potential skin breakouts?

There is nothing in M-Test or Optimize-T that should cause any issues with cold sores/HSV; the main thing supplement wise that may cause issues with that would be high dose arginine, which isn't in either product.

 

[sns8778]

The S7 is Optimize-T I guess could potentially be a problem for you, so M-Test might be the better option.

It wouldn't be because S7 works by increasing the body's own natural nitric oxide production. The main issue with cold sores/HSV isn't so much nitric oxide itself, its that Arginine and enhanced Arginine products may cause issues with breakouts in some people.

 

[sns8778]

I would also suggest M-Test and Optimize-T; I've stacked both for quite some time and it really helps with libido, mood, and I overall feel a lot better on them.

And definitely no issues with any skin outbreaks; if anything, I think my complexion is clearer on them.

 

[grovemule]

CEL M-Test and/or SNS Optimize-T

BINGO!!!

 

[Smont]

Can I ask a question, because most ppl think libido means boners and it it doesn't. Libido is the urge or want to have sex. You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on. So are you looking for supplements for Libido or erectile function, because there's definitely a difference. Viagra and cailis are great for erectile function but do nothing for Libido. And many Libido supplements do nothing for erectile function

 

[hercules_22]

Can I ask a question, because most ppl think libido means boners and it it doesn't. Libido is the urge or want to have sex. You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on. So are you looking for supplements for Libido or erectile function, because there's definitely a difference. Viagra and cailis are great for erectile function but do nothing for Libido. And many Libido supplements do nothing for erectile function

That is the real question right there!

 

[THEstudent]

Can I ask a question, because most ppl think libido means boners and it it doesn't. Libido is the urge or want to have sex. You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on. So are you looking for supplements for Libido or erectile function, because there's definitely a difference. Viagra and cailis are great for erectile function but do nothing for Libido. And many Libido supplements do nothing for erectile function

@sns8778 I heard you guys are coming out with a supplement for increased libido and erectile function even though it is hard to imagine you guys coming out with something that would be more effective than Optimize T.

 

[jgraves31]

Can I ask a question, because most ppl think libido means boners and it it doesn't. Libido is the urge or want to have sex. You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on. So are you looking for supplements for Libido or erectile function, because there's definitely a difference. Viagra and cailis are great for erectile function but do nothing for Libido. And many Libido supplements do nothing for erectile function

How about doing both? A supplement that both increases libido and enhances erectile function would be fine. Not asking for too much

 

[AdelV]

The biggest Libido increase I've had personally is from the Cortisol TD products.

Nothing has worked like that, I had to jack off twice a day and I'm over 40.

 

[THEstudent]

The biggest Libido increase I've had personally is from the Cortisol TD products.

Nothing has worked like that, I had to jack off twice a day and I'm over 40.

What product in particular?

 

[Renew1]

The biggest Libido increase I've had personally is from the Cortisol TD products.

Nothing has worked like that, I had to jack off twice a day and I'm over 40.

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[sns8778]

@sns8778 I heard you guys are coming out with a supplement for increased libido and erectile function even though it is hard to imagine you guys coming out with something that would be more effective than Optimize T.

Thank you. That was actually a bit of the problem and why I didn't rush the product, because Optimize-T works so well, it seemed a little redundant at first to do a separate one for libido besides it. So, the route I went with it is doing a product that can be stacked with Optimize-T or used separately from Optimize-T and it will help support libido, erection quality, and a few more cool aspects of sexual health.

We're hoping for a summertime release on it; but right now, we're just juggling between trying to increase inventory levels on existing products and come out with new ones so its hard to give exact or even tentative launch dates.

 

[sns8778]

How about doing both? A supplement that both increases libido and enhances erectile function would be fine. Not asking for too much

Libido Boost XT will help promote improved libido and improved erection quality.

In terms of improved erection quality, I mean improved erection quality, as in improving a persons ability to achieve and maintain harder, fuller, more long lasting erections - but NOT in the terms of being a sex pill like a lot of the spiked stuff on the market today.

 

[mechka_grizli]

What product in particular?

B-AET is still far and away, the biggest libido boost ive ever gotten from a supplement

 

[hercules_22]

B-AET is still far and away, the biggest libido boost ive ever gotten from a supplement

I take it at night for sleep benefits when do you take it for libido?

 

[sns8778]

I take it at night for sleep benefits when do you take it for libido?

I'm not trying to answer for him, just answering on the topic in general.

When we made Suppress-C under CEL (now its under XPG), we did get some reports of it helping improve libido a lot in some people and I think that's because of it helping improve cortisol levels and the body's response to stress. So, in that regard, it wouldn't need to be taken at a specific time to improve libido, it would just be about taking it consistently. The 'if' part to whether it helps with libido is going to depend on the individual and if cortisol and stress is having a negative impact on their libido to begin with if that makes sense.

 

[AdelV]

What product in particular?

I took Iron Legion, but various companies do the TD and are sponsors here.

I will buy again, it's all I remember from the product. Huge libido increase for me.

I've taken other Cortisol controlling products aka tablets and never had that.

I've got no idea why

Morning and before bed, as directions I took.

 

[THEstudent]

Thank you. That was actually a bit of the problem and why I didn't rush the product, because Optimize-T works so well, it seemed a little redundant at first to do a separate one for libido besides it. So, the route I went with it is doing a product that can be stacked with Optimize-T or used separately from Optimize-T and it will help support libido, erection quality, and a few more cool aspects of sexual health.

We're hoping for a summertime release on it; but right now, we're just juggling between trying to increase inventory levels on existing products and come out with new ones so its hard to give exact or even tentative launch dates.

@sns8778 Any updates on Libido XT?

 

[Dustin07]

-If I had to take 1 or 2 things -
Tongkat Ali?
KSM66?

these + orchic extract have been my two favorites.
from XPG Gels you can get Alpha Gel for the tonkgat, I find it's a great product personally.

-Any of above that have a stronger Nitric Oxide response, that may trigger cold sores (HSV outbreaks?)

I thought that was a side effect of citrulline?

"Libido" supplements are a panacea for underlying issues.

can be but I don't fully agree.
improving your health via supplementation for improved libido isn't any different than supplements or nutrition for you gut health, brain health, organ health, or muscle development.

You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on

works the other way around too! never struggled with ed myself but with buying and selling a business, general exhaustion etc libido can see swings from time to time.

 

[Smont]

these + orchic extract have been my two favorites.
from XPG Gels you can get Alpha Gel for the tonkgat, I find it's a great product personally.



I thought that was a side effect of citrulline?



can be but I don't fully agree.
improving your health via supplementation for improved libido isn't any different than supplements or nutrition for you gut health, brain health, organ health, or muscle development.


works the other way around too! never struggled with ed myself but with buying and selling a business, general exhaustion etc libido can see swings from time to time.

My only point in saying that was that people don't understand there's a difference between libido and erectile function or dysfunction. Especially on the forums.

Over the years, I've noticed almost every single time Someone starts a thread about libido, what they're really asking about is getting boners and they think there the same.

A lot of the guys Who run deca only cycles Say that there are ability to function is great. But they have no libido and they don't want to have sex.

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 Any updates on Libido XT?

It should be out in Q1 we're hoping.

The biggest delays on this were just the amount of production runs scheduled ahead of it - increasing inventory levels on existing products and also new products - and a limited supply of one particular raw material that I wanted to use in it. I didn't want to do a run and then sell out and it not be available for months; so waited until the supply chain had normalized on that particular raw material.

 

[sns8778]

I thought that was a side effect of citrulline?

Cold sore outbreaks would be much more commonly triggered by Arginine than by Citrulline.

 

[Dustin07]

Citrulline

I don't fully understand the relationship but I just read that citrulline converts to arginine?

 

[sns8778]

I don't fully understand the relationship but I just read that citrulline converts to arginine?

Yes, but that extra conversion step is why its less likely to cause any cold sore issues than Arginine.

Basically, if you got your info where I think you did, here's the cliff notes version - they recommend Arginine heavily for a lot of things, so when questioned about the cold sore side effect aspect they side stepped and blamed that on Citrulline in hopes that people would just take their word for it, which many people did.

A certain percentage of Citrulline does convert to Arginine and since Arginine may increase the likelihood of cold sore outbreaks in some people, then if they are super duper sensitive, Citrulline may too; but it would do so less than actual Arginine.

It's important for people to understand that Arginine isn't giving someone a cold sore - a person has to already have the virus to begin with and be susceptible to outbreaks for this to even be an issue.

I've known people in the real world to have cold sores triggered by Arginine, but never by Citrulline. It could in theory happen, but someone would have to be super sensitive to Arginine before they'd have to worry about Citrulline.

And for anyone reading this that may be impacted by the situation to begin with:
- NOW Foods makes a L-Lysine tablet in 2 sizes.
- The 1,000 mg. is the best if you can swallow it, but if you can't, then the 500 mg. works too.
- Take 1 of the 1,000 mg. tablets or 2 of the 500 mg. tablets in the morning and evening on an empty stomach.

 

[thescience]

I don't fully understand the relationship but I just read that citrulline converts to arginine?

arginine-ornithine-citrulline are components of the urea cycle and are largely interchangable for supplemental purposes. arginine has been around longer which probably explains why more people with herpes have had a chance to complain about it, which they do because it shares a pathway with lysine and higher doses may result in lower lysine levels. youde have to ask someone with the condition, but theoretically it may be possible to offset the undesired effect by also upping lysine

 

[GothamsReckoning]

SNS optimize T. I would say the only downside to the product was that the increase in libido was distracting at times

 

[Danksta710]

If you are actively training I think Recomp20 deserves a mention. You get muscle building + libido boost.

 

[Smont]

It should be out in Q1 we're hoping.

The biggest delays on this were just the amount of production runs scheduled ahead of it - increasing inventory levels on existing products and also new products - and a limited supply of one particular raw material that I wanted to use in it. I didn't want to do a run and then sell out and it not be available for months; so waited until the supply chain had normalized on that particular raw material.

Im a little lost, i should probably go back to the begining of the thread. But are you talking about a natural pde5 inhibitor type Supplement or a libido supp? I thought i remeber you Mentioning a pde5 type supp a while back. That is a super interesting one.

 

[Dustin07]

Basically, if you got your info where I think you did, here's the cliff notes version - they recommend Arginine heavily for a lot of things, so when questioned about the cold sore side effect aspect they side stepped and blamed that on Citrulline in hopes that people would just take their word for it, which many people did.

yeah I truly don't know anything about it. I've seen a number of posts around here and elsewhere people were afraid of getting Herp outbreaks from citrulline so some folks have paranoia and since type 1 and type 2 are basically the same thing, cold sores seem related. when I was a kid I used to get the cold sores in the mouth and it freaked my mom out when the doc prescribed hsv meds for a 12yr old LOL but i can't even remember the last time I got one and I take arginine nearly daily. probably like 10 years ago on a super hot sunny day when I was stressed out of my gord, one of those tiny cold sores on the corner of your lip that seems more like a zit, personally. maybe I just respond better to arginine than some people. I know some people have a miserable time with cold sores around their lips and eyes. but then there is this whole world of cold sores, canker sores, fever blisters, etc usually seems like stress plays a bigger role than anything else.

 

[sns8778]

Im a little lost, i should probably go back to the begining of the thread. But are you talking about a natural pde5 inhibitor type Supplement or a libido supp? I thought i remeber you Mentioning a pde5 type supp a while back. That is a super interesting one.

Libido Boost XT will be a libido supplement with some natural PDE5 aspects to it.

I have mentioned that it would have some PDE5 aspects to it. I've also mentioned how a lot of people on here overlook that Super Swole caps have some PDE5 aspects to it and also Amentoflavone XT as well. A lot of people report improved erection quality with both.

One important aspect I want to stress with Libido Boost XT is that it will have some natural PDE5 aspects to it, which are meant to help improve overall erection quality in general. It is not something like some of the spiked sex pills that is going to give you a stuffy head and headache.

 

[sns8778]

yeah I truly don't know anything about it. I've seen a number of posts around here and elsewhere people were afraid of getting Herp outbreaks from citrulline so some folks have paranoia and since type 1 and type 2 are basically the same thing, cold sores seem related. when I was a kid I used to get the cold sores in the mouth and it freaked my mom out when the doc prescribed hsv meds for a 12yr old LOL but i can't even remember the last time I got one and I take arginine nearly daily. probably like 10 years ago on a super hot sunny day when I was stressed out of my gord, one of those tiny cold sores on the corner of your lip that seems more like a zit, personally. maybe I just respond better to arginine than some people. I know some people have a miserable time with cold sores around their lips and eyes. but then there is this whole world of cold sores, canker sores, fever blisters, etc usually seems like stress plays a bigger role than anything else.

Stress is a large factor for cold sore/fever blister outbreaks.
Exposure to sunlight when they're starting can make them worse in a lot of people.

Arginine can contribute to outbreaks in some people. That's been scientifically shown - but doesn't happen a lot in the real world.

Citrulline is a casualty of the Arginine paranoia on this in that since some of it converts to Arginine, it in theory could contribute to outbreaks. However, it would be very rare and I've never ever heard of it actually happening to someone.

 

[lanky]

as someone over 40 definitely getting good sleep is the best for my libido, most of the time i am horny in the morning but by mid to late afternoon i dont even think about sex anymore, to exhausted from work and dealing with all employees BS. by night time i just want to chill and let my brain relax. as for supplements that worked for libido i took a cyclodextrin epiandrosterone/androsterone product from alpha gainz when it was still in the prototype phase. i think it was called alpha stano.. worked really well for libido, i have used many other products of epi and pure androsterone before without that effect. to bad i cant tolerate the GI sides i get from all cyclodextrin products

 

[Dblock]

Very true statement Lanky, I am up for it in the morning/early afternoon but my libido diminishes greatly as the day goes on.

 

[EpiStrong]

Tadalafil/cialis

 

[EpiStrong]

Can I ask a question, because most ppl think libido means boners and it it doesn't. Libido is the urge or want to have sex. You can have the greatest libido in the world and never be able to get a hard on. So are you looking for supplements for Libido or erectile function, because there's definitely a difference. Viagra and cailis are great for erectile function but do nothing for Libido. And many Libido supplements do nothing for erectile function

I agree some but if I'm erect there is an urge to put it into something even when libido is low

Been in the position when on somethings and I wanted to proform but couldn't. Just opinion but a hard on vs softy with libido is a shitty place