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[BamBam54]

The main problem with sending aid to Ukraine is how it was presented and what we hope to accomplish.

To say they will lose the war without additional US aid is correct. But no one said Ukraine would win with this additional aid either. Or how much total aid is needed to reach the point where someone might claim Ukraine will win. Or that in all likelihood Ukraine will never win. Russia is willing to lose millions of bodies and endless material until they eventually win. That has been their strategy for over 100 years.

But in that case, would we let Russia take any country they want just because they will be determined to win in the end? Of course not!!

Crazy conspiracies theories aside.... Ukraine is more deserving of our support than Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan. And they are just asking for military equipment and support. We wasted trillions in Iraq/Afghanistan and untold American limbs.... and the minute they had to fight for themselves they folded like a cheap tent!! At least the Ukrainian people are willing to fight for their own freedom.

And what about demanding we secure the US border FIRST before any additional Ukraine aid?? The uniparty sold out damn quick on that promise.

And even IF we decided to send money to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan... how about some cuts to offset the costs?!?!? Illegal immigration costs roughly $400 billion every year. Stupid global warming gimmicks must be close to a trillion more every year. At least cut a few windmill projects and deport some illegals to offset these new handouts!!

Such phony government crap that is going to be the end of us all.

 

[ax1]

At least the Ukrainian people are willing to fight for their own freedom.

Yeah right, if the "Ukrainian people are willing tofight for their own freedom" they wouldnt suspect elections and force young men to fight for it agaisnt their will via draft laws and imprison/murder any political opposition, censor the media, etc..... LMFAO your making crap up. Ukraine=Dumbacracy.

But in that case, would we let Russia take any country they want just because they will be determined to win in the end? Of course not!!

Oh sure but Russia should just accept the West overthrowing the Ukrainian Govenment in 2014, fund a civil war to murder Russians in Western Ukraine that want nothing to do with them just like the USA would do nothing if Russia overthrew the Mexican Government and installed their own puppet south of our border.

 

[ax1]

And even IF we decided to send money to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan... how about some cuts to offset the costs?!?!? Illegal immigration costs roughly $400 billion every year. Stupid global warming gimmicks must be close to a trillion more every year. At least cut a few windmill projects and deport some illegals to offset these new handouts!!

I gotta better idea.....Government can start a war charity, people want to fund their wars go donate money, they wanna fight, go over their and fight. Dont point a gun to my head against punishing my for my productive activities and and tell me how best to spend my money, I have my own charities I want to invest in.

 

[ax1]

Cant get enough of this....

Ukrainians are willing to fight?

How so?

Make them the government said so, if not throw them in a cage or forcefully carry them out to the battlefield.

Dumbacracy at its finest.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[ax1]

 

[BamBam54]

@ax1 -If you took the time to read history slowly and carefully, you might understand the situation better. Instead you rapid fire cartoons and memes, stumbling through historical cliff notes shared in Libertarian pot parties.

Ukraine became an independent country in 1991. And in the 1991, 1994, and 1999 elections their president was a Russian leaning "puppet" in your terms.

And in 2004, the Ukrainians elected a western leaning government (Yanukovych) which would be a CIA "puppet" in your world view. The Orange Revolution.

Then in 2010 Ukraine went back to a Russian leaning "puppet". And in March 2014 the Russians invaded Crimea and stole it.

So in May 2014 the Ukrainians elected a western leaning government again (Poroshenko), your CIA "puppet" if you like. The Euromaidan Revolution. And maybe they just didn't like Russia taking parts of their country by force.

The IMPORTANT thing that you keep missing (and you've probably zoned out on attention span by now and missed it again) is that the Ukrainian people got sick of both Russian and American "puppets" and elected a third choice in 2019. A relatively unknown comedian named Zelenskyy who beat the US puppet of 2014 (Poroshenko) and also the Russian puppet offering with 70% of the vote!! The people spoke loud and clear!

Do the majority WANT to fight for their freedom and their homeland?? Its a pretty clear yes. Zelenskyy was offered a flight out of there, and he chose to stay and fight. Ask the Mayor of Kiev, Vitali Klitschko, a world class boxer who could have easily left, but chose to stay and fight. Ask the thousands of college age kids who took turns filling Molotov cocktails in the first days of the war. Or even the last US "puppet" president Poroshenko who stayed to fight with the rest of them. Or send more meme's and cartoons... that will certainly help

The money was already taken from you. And the US government is not going to give it back. Right now they are spending a ton on illegal immigrants and green energy. Almost $1.5 trillion MORE every year than pre-covid spending levels thanks to Democrats, PLUS now this extra foreign aid on top of it!! I'd say get rid of all illegal alien spending, and all green energy spending. We could fund Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan and STILL have ONE TRILLION per year in savings from what they are already spending now~!! With a new stated goal for an independent Ukraine (no US or Russian puppets) with no NATO alliance or weapons ever stationed there as an exit ramp to this war.... if Russia gives Crimea and the Donbass back.

 

[BamBam54]

Ukrainian women voluntarily helping defend the country

 

[ax1]

Ukrainian women voluntarily helping defend the country

Good for them, now open of free speech, freedom of the press and have an election and lets know what Ukrainians really want.

And regardless of what they want, if they wanna fight thats up to them (There is no evidence that is a popular opinion there, after all they have to force people to fight regardless of some random civilians clueless to politics and the corruption of the US/NATO Military Industrial Complex doing what anyone would do caught up in the middle of that ), its none of our business and our money should not be stolen from us to fund their problems.

 

[ax1]

The money was already taken from you. And the US government is not going to give it back. Right now they are spending a ton on illegal immigrants and green energy. Almost $1.5 trillion MORE every year than pre-covid spending levels thanks to Democrats, PLUS now this extra foreign aid on top of it!! I'd say get rid of all illegal alien spending, and all green energy spending. We could fund Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan and STILL have ONE TRILLION per year in savings from what they are already spending now~!! With a new stated goal for an independent Ukraine (no US or Russian puppets) with no NATO alliance or weapons ever stationed there as an exit ramp to this war.... if Russia gives Crimea and the Donbass back.

The power to tax is the power to destroy and Republicrats are every bit responsible for the corrupt system that led us to the state we are in today. They refuse to take personal responsibility for a century's worth of countless big government over-reaching atrocious policies fiscally irresponsible spending all paid for via the threat on its citizens life in a cage or death with the power of the barrel of a gun rammed down our throats while completely shytting all over our Bill of Rights turning our Republic into the authoritarian shythole it is today.

Blame blame blame. Its not just Democraps, its both them and Repulsivkins, they all are the same. They give you the illusion of competition where all you get is a choice between Coke and Pepsi. What a joke.

 

[BamBam54]

The money WAS ALREADY stolen from you. Do you want to keep spending $400 billion per year for illegals plus $1 trillion per year on green energy plus $100 billion per year on foreign wars? That is where we are right now.

I would be OK with just the $100 billion to help protect Israel/Ukraine/Taiwan. Heck, we stole twice that from ourselves in covid PPP money!!!

You should be screaming 10x louder about the illegals and green energy than about Ukraine. But for some strange reason, the conspiracy forums aren't raging about the other two much higher expenses.

 

[ax1]

The money WAS ALREADY stolen from you. Do you want to keep spending $400 billion per year for illegals plus $1 trillion per year on green energy plus $100 billion per year on foreign wars? That is where we are right now.

I would be OK with just the $100 billion to help protect Israel/Ukraine/Taiwan. Heck, we stole twice that from ourselves in covid PPP money!!!

You should be screaming 10x louder about the illegals and green energy than about Ukraine. But for some strange reason, the conspiracy forums aren't raging about the other two much higher expenses.

What you propose doesn’t make any sense. I don’t need to accept either in any way, thanks.

The illegals I’m most concerned about are the Repulsivkins and Dumbocraps that think it’s ok to be gangsta and think they have a right to use weapons via armed unconstitutional agents to steal our money (or print it out of thin air) in the first place. Those are the illegals we should all worry about, you can rid the disease without removing the tumors first.

 

[ax1]

The money WAS ALREADY stolen from you.

Simply put....the criminals who stole the money belong in jail first. Clean up the rest of our problems later.

 

[BamBam54]

Simply put....the criminals who stole the money belong in jail first. Clean up the rest of our problems later.

Which criminals exactly do you mean? And how do you propose to jail them?????????

 

[BamBam54]

We have a Presidential election this November which will steer the country for the next 4 years. Possibly right down the shitter.

If the Democrats win, we will lurch even more to the marxist left, more antifa rioting, more illegal migration and a push to allow them a path to citizenship and voting. More green energy spending by the trillions, and since Americans don't really want it by choice, it will have to be by force. More IRS agents to make sure we pay for all this. More DEI laws and forced ESG investing to fund it. And more handouts to those that don't put into the system, plus a little extra in reparations on top. The rich will be force to pay their "fair share" which means whatever the socialists want, which drives the rich to move away or just close their businesses. Gun laws will be "common sense" which means whatever the socialists want, which means no guns in the hands of the people, so they can force us to do all of the above. More mail in ballots and less election security. Combined with the illegal migration, we will never have free and fair elections again, so it won't really matter how you vote or what you want.

If Trump wins, he is an outsider that at least WANTS to push back against the deep state weaponization of the intelligence agencies, misuse of the DOJ for political lawfare, and government control of social media/radio/tv networks. We know this because they are attacking him with all of it right now. A trump win would mean less illegal migration (who else started to build a giant wall and created a remain in Mexico policy??). And trillions less spent on green energy (drill baby, drill). And likely less foreign wars based on what happened during his 4 prior years. Trump would mean less DEI and ESG which can't be a bad thing, especially in our military. Less gov't funded drag queen parties in elementary schools. Optional vaccines rather than forced vaccines. Runaway spending might still be bad, since congress controls the purse, and they always find a way to negotiate a deal where everyone spends to get re-elected. And there will be a lot of mean tweets. And the globalists around the world will hate it and try to work against him.

If the Libertarians win, we can be full blown isolationists. Let Iran have nukes if they want them. Let China take Taiwan by force. Let Russia invade a few more countries. Let Israel fend for themselves. F'it. We will have one hellova hedonistic rage party with legal drugs among consenting adults. We can cut trillions in government spending and fire millions of government workers. We don't need a plan for what to do with them once fired, because we will all be at the wicked cool rage party. And no one will attack us because we will be chillin' minding our own business, and our enemies around the world will suddenly love us because they will think we are hip and cool.

 

[ax1]

We have a Presidential election this November which will steer the country for the next 4 years. Possibly right down the shitter.

If the Democrats win, we will lurch even more to the marxist left, more antifa rioting, more illegal migration and a push to allow them a path to citizenship and voting. More green energy spending by the trillions, and since Americans don't really want it by choice, it will have to be by force. More IRS agents to make sure we pay for all this. More DEI laws and forced ESG investing to fund it. And more handouts to those that don't put into the system, plus a little extra in reparations on top. The rich will be force to pay their "fair share" which means whatever the socialists want, which drives the rich to move away or just close their businesses. Gun laws will be "common sense" which means whatever the socialists want, which means no guns in the hands of the people, so they can force us to do all of the above. More mail in ballots and less election security. Combined with the illegal migration, we will never have free and fair elections again, so it won't really matter how you vote or what you want.

If Trump wins, he is an outsider that at least WANTS to push back against the deep state weaponization of the intelligence agencies, misuse of the DOJ for political lawfare, and government control of social media/radio/tv networks. We know this because they are attacking him with all of it right now. A trump win would mean less illegal migration (who else started to build a giant wall and created a remain in Mexico policy??). And trillions less spent on green energy (drill baby, drill). And likely less foreign wars based on what happened during his 4 prior years. Trump would mean less DEI and ESG which can't be a bad thing, especially in our military. Less gov't funded drag queen parties in elementary schools. Optional vaccines rather than forced vaccines. Runaway spending might still be bad, since congress controls the purse, and they always find a way to negotiate a deal where everyone spends to get re-elected. And there will be a lot of mean tweets. And the globalists around the world will hate it and try to work against him.

If the Libertarians win, we can be full blown isolationists. Let Iran have nukes if they want them. Let China take Taiwan by force. Let Russia invade a few more countries. Let Israel fend for themselves. F'it. We will have one hellova hedonistic rage party with legal drugs among consenting adults. We can cut trillions in government spending and fire millions of government workers. We don't need a plan for what to do with them once fired, because we will all be at the wicked cool rage party. And no one will attack us because we will be chillin' minding our own business, and our enemies around the world will suddenly love us because they will think we are hip and cool.

Yup, point taken, sound just like any establishment Biden Democrat I have ever talked to, barely any difference between big government socialist military industrial complex corporate banking Repulsivkins and Biden. All same shyt with incremental differences over bathrooms and how much to rape people's wallets while claiming to be unifyers by blowing up causing genocides around the world and putting in ruthless dictators one after another calling it a dumbocracy and pretending the ones (Libertarians) are some type of isolationists when we want to be neutral and friendly with the world instead of destroying, corrupting and trying to control the business of other foreign nations.

 

[ax1]

 

[ax1]

We have a Presidential election this November which will steer the country for the next 4 years. Possibly right down the shitter.

Yeah thanks for your vote. nothing better than a cosmetic change for the image of our Republic, Good luck LMFAO

 

[ax1]

 

[BamBam54]

The party of principles.
Well..... at least The Party

 

[BamBam54]

They put the Party in Political Party !!

 

[ax1]

The only party people should vote if they want change....as in change from big government hooligans and restoring our fundamental rights and liberties as noted in our Bill of Rights.

Neither Repulsivkin or Democrap respects freedom.

 

[BamBam54]

They call Ron Paul an idiot, because he thinks if we don't break other people's windows that the world's violent and murderous dictators won't break ours.

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Ayatollah, and an army of radical muslims would be quite amused with your Libertardians!!

 

[ax1]

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The party of principles.
Well..... at least The Party

Listen, I dont smoke, dont drink alcohol and hate both of them. That doesnt mean its any of my business to steal people's money with a gun so I can fund a useless war to imprison what other people choose to do on their own time.

 

[ax1]

They call Ron Paul an idiot, because he thinks if we don't break other people's windows that the world's violent and murderous dictators won't break ours.

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Ayatollah, and an army of radical muslims would be quite amused!!

Add Republicans to the list, they are the ones who break down our windows the most over bullcrap.

 

[ax1]

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Ayatollah, and an army of radical muslims would be quite amused with your Libertardians!!

 

[BamBam54]

Vote Libertarian 2024

You'll be in safe hands.... especially if you love tambourines !!! LOL

 

[BamBam54]

Nothing says liberal more than libertarian.

And tie-die never goes out of fashion !!

 

[BamBam54]

The libertarian military will be so cool, too!

Guys and gals high as a kite, banging it out in a tent, and everyone gets to have the same hair... LOL

 

[BamBam54]

See? I can play the same silly meme picture game. Ha!

 

[ax1]

See? I can play the same silly meme picture game. Ha!

You know how to live the good life!

 

[Tunaking14]

Wil

We have a Presidential election this November which will steer the country for the next 4 years. Possibly right down the shitter.

If the Democrats win, we will lurch even more to the marxist left, more antifa rioting, more illegal migration and a push to allow them a path to citizenship and voting. More green energy spending by the trillions, and since Americans don't really want it by choice, it will have to be by force. More IRS agents to make sure we pay for all this. More DEI laws and forced ESG investing to fund it. And more handouts to those that don't put into the system, plus a little extra in reparations on top. The rich will be force to pay their "fair share" which means whatever the socialists want, which drives the rich to move away or just close their businesses. Gun laws will be "common sense" which means whatever the socialists want, which means no guns in the hands of the people, so they can force us to do all of the above. More mail in ballots and less election security. Combined with the illegal migration, we will never have free and fair elections again, so it won't really matter how you vote or what you want.

If Trump wins, he is an outsider that at least WANTS to push back against the deep state weaponization of the intelligence agencies, misuse of the DOJ for political lawfare, and government control of social media/radio/tv networks. We know this because they are attacking him with all of it right now. A trump win would mean less illegal migration (who else started to build a giant wall and created a remain in Mexico policy??). And trillions less spent on green energy (drill baby, drill). And likely less foreign wars based on what happened during his 4 prior years. Trump would mean less DEI and ESG which can't be a bad thing, especially in our military. Less gov't funded drag queen parties in elementary schools. Optional vaccines rather than forced vaccines. Runaway spending might still be bad, since congress controls the purse, and they always find a way to negotiate a deal where everyone spends to get re-elected. And there will be a lot of mean tweets. And the globalists around the world will hate it and try to work against him.

If the Libertarians win, we can be full blown isolationists. Let Iran have nukes if they want them. Let China take Taiwan by force. Let Russia invade a few more countries. Let Israel fend for themselves. F'it. We will have one hellova hedonistic rage party with legal drugs among consenting adults. We can cut trillions in government spending and fire millions of government workers. We don't need a plan for what to do with them once fired, because we will all be at the wicked cool rage party. And no one will attack us because we will be chillin' minding our own business, and our enemies around the world will suddenly love us because they will think we are hip and cool.

While I agree what will happen if the demonrats win and it Trump wins, why do you want to protect or give money to Ukraine or Isreal? Ukraine and Zelensky in particular is a fk'in criminal. Screw him. And Isreal- screw them as well. Why is the U.S. Israel's bitch? Dig deeper- I'm not against Jews- but the Israeli gov't is dirty- plain and simple- now they can destroy Hamas but the don't need our money to do so. Let's not forget the thousands of innocent people Israel is killing as we speak. But nobody wants to talk about that. Funny how we can't criticize Israel without being called anti-semetic or thinking we support Hamas. Israel's gov't is as bad as Biden and his administration. That is a fact.