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You could say the same I guess for when coke brought out Diet Coke. Agree it’s unlikely but a lower stim pump focused one maybe. I don’t think a new batch myself as they don’t like the whole batch mystique cats love here.

Better to email them surely?

Hard to make out what that refers to, I’m guessing it could be literally anything from an excelsior hardcore to a stim free excelsior, maybe a version that’s more loaded with pump ingredients? A new flavour doesn’t sound like it would be trailed this way though.

What did you see? I can’t see a thing on their site. A new version of excelsior sounds a lot like I’ve seen before where a good product with notoriety gets watered down to appeal to the masses. Kinda like how OG Alphamine was amazing but then became a girl’s energy drink lol

Probably why I didn’t like it tbh.

It’s already available. Tons of guys on this board have left reviews. I wasn’t a fan, preferred the original but most seemed to prefer the new one.

I think you’re in Germany right? How are they getting it to you so quick and free next day delivery cos that’s definitely gonna offset the price a lot? I remember when all the UK sites after brexit said it became impossible to ship there fast but these cats found a way!

Nice find. How much are they selling it for?

Think this is the opposite of what another guy said a couple pages back - he felt it was bad at first but gotten better the longer he’s used it and said he’s on 295. I’ve had both those batches and noticed no difference between them at all.

Not sure I understand but nope it was a hydrazine labelled sample pack not thermal spark that I got.

Apparently it’s back to being white now as I got a sample that was white. I’ve not used hydrazine for a while but it’s strong stuff, great for getting work done more than using for gym though (at least using one cap only).

Did it give you that kinda angry feeling OG Jack3d would give where you wanna almost hurt the weights? How was it for jacking up heart rate or jitters cos I don’t like that but some of my buddies only like preworkouts that deliver on that and give a nasty crash after?

Haha, as long as what comes out my ass isn’t red I am trusting it’s safe. Why do you think it was rubbish at first but now it’s good? Maybe your adrenals were shot from lots of excelsior but after you’d had a break they function better so you can feel doomsday properly?

I checked an old bottle and it had the same except it ended 296 and the current one I had is ending 295 also. They feel identical, I never check batch numbers though.

I’m only guessing but if it’s now discounted to 47.99 and they’re bringing out a hardcore version which is what most guys seem to want I can’t see them keeping it once they sell through. I prefer it too but I’m an older guy and I think the fans of it are all older but most consumers of...

You’re getting a lot of recs especially for products with multiple ingredients but IME the only non-stim fat burner ingredient which noticeably improves fat loss and can do so without any need to add a bunch of other ingredients PLUS is cheap has to be 7-Keto/7-oxo.

You found excelsior similar to doomsday at first but not now? I’ll miss doomsday when it’s gone, looking at how it’s marked down it looks like they’ll put all their eggs into the hardcore version which I wasn’t a fan of. That was more like a stronger excelsior or similar and I’d get the same...

Don’t think you need to risk buying 15yo stuff when most of those are still available from UK sites - 4ad, 1-test, epi to name a few I know of.

For the stronger is better guys theres a couple of reports here saying 06/26 is stronger than 07/26 and like the original batch from way back. I don’t buy any of this stuff about batches being different, would love someone to blind test all these and see if they can actually tell batches apart...

Your reply makes sense but re:this, I was referring to their labels being compliant so assumed most retailers would just sell on that basis even if they knew the label may be fictitious. I’d think anyone could list some of these on Amazon and make a killing and last I heard Amazon doesn’t have...